Dassault aviation proudly presents the Falcon 7X

HorsePower · Post by **HorsePower** » 13 Feb 2005, 21:18

French airplanes maker Dassault aviation will presents on tuesday on his own site of Bordeaux Merignac the lastest business jet, the Falcon 7X, a luxurious tri-engined aircraft witch has a 5.700Nmiles range (10,500km) at a speed near the sound velocity.
The development costs are near 700 m. Euro. The first flight of the Falcon7X is scheduled on spring 2005, the certification and first deliveries will be at the end of 2006.
Dassault aviation has already 50 firm orders for the 7X, most of them come from US customers. North America represents 50% of market share for Bizjets, Europe 25% and rest of the world the remaining 25%.
http://www.dassaultfalcon.com/7x/

Regards

Seb.

Knight255 · Post by **Knight255** » 13 Feb 2005, 22:17

Is this a replacement for their current Biz Jets (Falcon 900...) or is this an entirely new model??? I love Falcons, so pretty and fast!!!!

HorsePower · Post by **HorsePower** » 13 Feb 2005, 22:26

It's a revolutionary all new airplane, with a wider cabin than the Falcon 900. cabin pressure will be at 2000m only. It will be able to fly at 0.90 Mach.

Seb.

Knight255 · Post by **Knight255** » 14 Feb 2005, 00:44

Mach .90?!?!?! 8O That thing is damn fast!!!! Would love to see it someday.

HorsePower · Post by **HorsePower** » 14 Feb 2005, 01:59

The most amazing is they don't buid any prototype before. Everything have been made by computer, thanks to Catia IV program. So the first aircraft to be made will be s/n 001.

Regards

Seb.

Post by **sn26567** » 14 Feb 2005, 09:30

It looks like a great aeroplane:

concordino · Post by **concordino** » 14 Feb 2005, 10:38

You working for Dasssault, HorsePower? If not they should sign you up for the brilliant advertising you give them.

Is this really a new aircraft or just a 900 development - looks very similar? Perhaps that is why they can produce it without a prototype or am I just an old cynic?

BTW the Citation X will still be faster though at mach 0.91.

itsdoctorv · Post by **itsdoctorv** » 14 Feb 2005, 15:27

Concordino, go take a look at the website (1st post). I hadn't seen it before and it's awesome. As far as corporate jets go, this is going to be an amazing piece of kit. The new electronic cockpit looks awesome, I'm sure pilots will love it. And with the low altitude cabin pressure, noise-cancelling systems and huge windows, passengers should love it too.

The real test for their concept of desing to production model without prototype will be the wing. As it is, they theoretically achieve an incredible improvement over previous falcon wings without winglets, stall strips or vortex generators. If they can pull it off without adding any of those items on the final production model, hats off to the people who developped the computer programs!

earthman · Post by **earthman** » 14 Feb 2005, 16:29

Knight255:

This plane has hard-limited FBW systems, so I'm not sure you would like it... Although it's much more maneuverable than an Airbus.

BTW the article I linked claims that hard limits are better than soft limits in some emergency situations.

HorsePower · Post by **HorsePower** » 14 Feb 2005, 20:24

concordino wrote:You working for Dasssault, HorsePower? If not they should sign you up for the brilliant advertising you give them.

Sorry not, and I don't want. I've heard they have a bad reputation about employees policy... and I personnally dislike Serge Dassault and his sons, even if the father was a great engineer (before he changes his name, he mades some famous french planes as "Bloch")

It's a really new airplane, wich utilizes the same cockpit technologies as the last Falcon 900 EAsy.

Regards

Seb.

Knight255 · Post by **Knight255** » 14 Feb 2005, 23:59

Earthman there was no need for that comment, are trying to instigate some sort of dispute?? Seems so.. I still like Falcons (didn't say I'd fly one), on paper and in looks they are awesome.

earthman · Post by **earthman** » 15 Feb 2005, 10:40

No I am not trying to start a dispute, sorry if you understood it that way.

Buzz · Post by **Buzz** » 15 Feb 2005, 11:55

Knight255 wrote:Mach .90?!?!?! 8O That thing is damn fast!!!!

It's max speed is 0.90 mach, but the cruise speed is 0.80 mach.
I believe the a380/B747 have similar max/cruise speeds... can anyone confirm that?

earthman · Post by **earthman** » 15 Feb 2005, 13:55

The A380 and B747 have a cruise speed of Mach 0.85 and Mach 0.86 (or maybe Mach 0.855) respectively.

Post by **sn26567** » 16 Feb 2005, 09:31

Sonaca of Charleroi will provide the slats for the Falcon 7X. A €250 million contract and 100 jobs for several years. The Belgian aeronautics industry is still alive and kicking.

Slats are a speciality of Sonaca, which also builts them for many types of Airbuses.

Advisor · Post by **Advisor** » 16 Feb 2005, 09:57

The Belgian aeronautics industry is still alive and kicking.

:rock: Merci.

HorsePower · Post by **HorsePower** » 16 Feb 2005, 17:27

Buzz wrote:It's max speed is 0.90 mach, but the cruise speed is 0.80 mach.
I believe the a380/B747 have similar max/cruise speeds... can anyone confirm that?

Falcon 7X:
-long range speed: 0.80M
-typical cruise speed: 0.85/0.87M
-MMO: 0.90M
-range (at 0.80M): 5700Nm (10.500km)
-max certified alt: 51.000ft

B747-400:
-cruise speed: 0.85/0.855M at 30.000ft
-MMO: 0.885 at 30.000ft

A380-800:
-cruise speed:0.85M at 35.000ft
-MMO: 0.89M at 35.000ft
-service ceilling: 43.000ft

Other links:
http://www.falconjet.com/whatsnew/falco ... CNUM=29388
http://www.ainonline.com/Publications/n ... lpg82.html

Catalogue price: 37.000.000 US$ (+5.000.000 US$ depending of cabin layout)

Hope this help

Regards

Seb.

Curious · Post by **Curious** » 16 Feb 2005, 18:21

$42M what a Rip Off. How much is a A319CJ ?

HorsePower · Post by **HorsePower** » 16 Feb 2005, 18:51

Not more than the Gulfsteam G500/550:
GULFSTREAM G500:
Range: 5,800 nmi
Typical passengers: 14 to 18
Long-range cruise speed: 0.80 Mach, eight passengers
Cabin volume: 1,669 cubic feet
Maximum payload: 6,700 pounds
Engines: two Rolls-Royce BR710s
Base price: $37.5 million (2002 dollars)

GULFSTREAM G550:
Range: 6,750 nmi
Typical passengers: 14 to 18
Long-range cruise speed: 0.80 Mach, eight passengers
Cabin volume: 1,669 cubic feet
Maximum payload: 6,200 pounds
Engines: two Rolls-Royce BR710s
Base price: $44.75 million (2002 dollars)
http://www.aviationweek.com/shownews/02 ... rfrm01.htm

Seb.

HorsePower · Post by **HorsePower** » 13 Mar 2005, 20:46

A little bit late, but I just found this interesting article:
http://www.ainonline.com/issues/03_05/0 ... eilsp1.htm

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