Bombardier to compete directly with Boeing/Airbus?????

bits44 · Post by **bits44** » 02 Feb 2005, 14:43

Looks like some serious competition looms on the horizon
Paris should be very interesting

http://www.flightinternational.com/fi_f ... y_free.asp

lets try this

http://www.flightinternational.com/

Just click on the Bombardier Story tab!

killerwhale65 · Post by **killerwhale65** » 02 Feb 2005, 18:27

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Knight255 · Post by **Knight255** » 02 Feb 2005, 20:54

Either way, Bombardier does hold a good position to compete with Airbus and Boeing. Actually, Boeing has kind of left that market by withdrawing the 717 from production. Aibus still has the A318 to compete with (unless if there's something smaller that I'm not aware of). Embraer has already sort of entered this market with the EMB-170/190. Best wishes to Bombardier!!!

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 02 Feb 2005, 21:06

Well Boeing and Airbus never really developed an ideal plane of that size (100 seater). Both just made derivatives of their popular families i.e. B736 and the A318. They are part of a family and thus have some advantages I agree, but aren't optimized for those type of ops.
On the other hand Bombardier and Embraer who really focus on those types of planes, are able to build models which are better adapted to the demand for the 100 seat market.

Chris

Knight255 · Post by **Knight255** » 02 Feb 2005, 21:13

Seeing the popularity of the regional market, I'm surprised Boeing or Airbus hasn't announced plans to compete in that market. Should bring in more bucks!!!!!!!

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 02 Feb 2005, 21:20

Knight255 wrote:Seeing the popularity of the regional market, I'm surprised Boeing or Airbus hasn't announced plans to compete in that market. Should bring in more bucks!!!!!!!

It could bring them some money, but I suppose that the competition with Embraer and Bombardier would be very hard if Airbus and Boeing join the battle on that level.
Both Boeing and Airbus can probably make more money with their long haul planes, where the competition is smaller and the profit margin probably higher.

Chris

Knight255 · Post by **Knight255** » 02 Feb 2005, 21:22

True, true. Stick to what you know how to design and build, that way you won't lose money.

HorsePower · Post by **HorsePower** » 02 Feb 2005, 21:46

Remember that some french aeronautic compagnies got a total of 20% of Embraer (EADS, Dassault, Thales and Snecma IIRC).

Regards

Seb.

Knight255 · Post by **Knight255** » 02 Feb 2005, 23:49

I didn't know that. 8O

HorsePower · Post by **HorsePower** » 03 Feb 2005, 00:31

http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/287/41/

Later a European group, made up of companies EADS, Dassault, Thales, and Snecma, took over 20% of the Embraer share control.

Exactly what I've said

:cool2: (and in the same order!)
Perhaps I should play Loto soon

.

I'm not aware particularly about defense industries but among other things, EADS owns:
100% of Eurocopter
100% of Eurofighter
80% of Aibus
45% of Dassault

Regards

Seb.

bits44 · Post by **bits44** » 13 Feb 2005, 03:16

Looks like the C series is going to be built! But Where

http://www.reuters.ca/locales/c_newsArt ... ID=7597518

Aerocroatia · Post by **Aerocroatia** » 13 Feb 2005, 10:46

Very Beautifull

:jump2:

HorsePower · Post by **HorsePower** » 13 Feb 2005, 13:02

BRJ-X was the former Bombardier's project, who fell down. Now, the C-series is the revival of it.

Seb.

Knight255 · Post by **Knight255** » 13 Feb 2005, 17:18

How many pax does the EMB-190 seat??? I know Boeing, after they discontinue the 717, will not have an airplane in that capacity.

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 13 Feb 2005, 17:24

Knight255 wrote:How many pax does the EMB-190 seat??? I know Boeing, after they discontinue the 717, will not have an airplane in that capacity.

ERJ190 seating:

Single class with 31" : 106 seats
Single class with 32" : 98 seats
Two classes: 94 seats (8F / 86Y) at 38" / 31" pitch

Chris

Knight255 · Post by **Knight255** » 13 Feb 2005, 17:27

It sounds like Bombardier is competing with the EMB-190 and the A-318 rather than Boeing. Like I said earlier, Boeing will not have an airplane in that seating capacity. Good luck to Bombardier, it's always nice to see aircraft manufacturers venture into the unknown....

sab319 · Post by **sab319** » 13 Feb 2005, 17:32

Knight255 wrote:How many pax does the EMB-190 seat??? I know Boeing, after they discontinue the 717, will not have an airplane in that capacity.

And what kind of plane is the B736???

Knight255 · Post by **Knight255** » 13 Feb 2005, 17:34

Whooops!!!!!!!!!! I guess I convieniently forgot due to its lack of popularity. My bad!!!!!!!

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 13 Feb 2005, 17:36

sab319 wrote:
Knight255 wrote:How many pax does the EMB-190 seat??? I know Boeing, after they discontinue the 717, will not have an airplane in that capacity.
And what kind of plane is the B736???

But the B736 has a capacity of 110 pax in two class layout and 132 in single class layout if I remember well.
So in fact the ERJ 190 is just below that level.

This being said the ERJ190 is certainly a competitor to the B736, because companies who would like to buy the B736 might also consider the ERJ190.

Chris

Knight255 · Post by **Knight255** » 13 Feb 2005, 17:39

That depends, do airlines want fleet commonality??? If it is an airline wanting to expand its market to smaller density routes, the 736 is a good choice if they already operate the 737. If it is a smaller airline wanting to increase its seating on some routes/expanding its routes, they might opt for the EMB-190 or this new bird because they may be cheaper (this is subject to debate because the manufacturer and airline always negotiate the price).

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