What's the latest news about Exel ?

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 01 Feb 2005, 20:21

I wouldn't be surprised either to be honest. Although I still hope for all employees that it won't happen....

Chris

Robin_Bamps · Post by **Robin_Bamps** » 01 Feb 2005, 20:28

I already posted a few months ago that the whole EAG-project was doomed to fail in my eyes... Their strategy really seemed illogical to me all the time (all those different carriers, all with only one or two a/c).

And I don't think that it's a big problem for FQ if Exel would went bankrupt. Condor has plenty of B753's and B763's to operate the long haul flights for FQ...

Regards, Robin Bamps.

Tommypilot · Post by **Tommypilot** » 01 Feb 2005, 20:36

Robin_Bamps wrote:I already posted a few months ago that the whole EAG-project was doomed to fail in my eyes... Their strategy really seemed illogical to me all the time (all those different carriers, all with only one or two a/c).

Yes, we know Robin

But other people still rather stay a little bit optimistic. HollandExel and BelgiumExel were no mistakes, the other onces were it seemed.

And yes I can say that Thomas Cook already figured out an alternative plan for the pax to long haul HLX destinations. However, this is what I heard...

Dude320 · Post by **Dude320** » 01 Feb 2005, 20:42

ATTN Tommypilot :

Plse note that TCW has indeed a back up plan for already some weeks.

I think it is normal that the Tour Operator should take care of their customers.

Plse also note that the Tour Operator is responisble to get his pax from
point A --> B !!

The airlines is just operating in name of the Tour Operator.

When the airline goes down (ref. CityBird), TC directly started the back up plan with JMC Airlines in order to get their booked clients to their destinations that they booked for.

So, good that you have sometimes a back up plan.

Hope this is finally cleared out !!

Rgds

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 01 Feb 2005, 20:43

Tommypilot wrote: And yes I can say that Thomas Cook already figured out an alternative plan for the pax to long haul HLX destinations. However, this is what I heard...

Yeah, let the tourists swim over the Atlantic :laugh:

No seriously I don't think that FQ will have to worry that much IF Belgium Exel would stop its operations. As Robin already said, Condor and the entire Thomas Cook group have plenty of long haul planes. And I'm sure that one could be used for those flights.
BTW if I'm not mistaken There are several B763's (of Thomas Cook) that are currently stored. Could someone confirm ?

Greetz
Chris

Tommypilot · Post by **Tommypilot** » 01 Feb 2005, 20:49

Avro wrote: Yeah, let the tourists swim over the Atlantic :laugh:

No they said they would bring them by submarine.

LX-LGX · Post by **LX-LGX** » 01 Feb 2005, 21:17

The tourists / pax have signed an agreement with Thomas Cook (the touroperator), and therefore Belgian Travel Law applies. This law clearly states that Thomas Cook is responsible in case something goes wrong, even if this happens with one of his subcontractors. Thomas Cook, Neckermann and Pegase are all operating with Belgian travel license A1457 (Thomas Cook).

Conditions générales de Thomas Cook, Article 14: L'organisateur de voyages est responsable de la bonne exécution du contrat conformément aux attentes que le voyageur peut raisonnablement avoir sur la base des dispositions du contrat d'organisation de voyages et des obligations découlant de celui-ci, indépendamment du fait que ces obligations doivent être remplies par lui-même ou d'autres prestataires de services, et ce sans préjudice du droit de l'organisateur de voyages de poursuivre les autres prestataires de services en responsabilité.

Algemene voorwaarden van Thomas Cook, Artikel 14: De reisorganisator is aansprakelijk voor de goede uitvoering van het contract, overeenkomstig de verwachtingen die de reiziger op grond van de bepalingen van het contract tot reisorganisatie redelijkerwijs mag hebben, en voor de uit het contract voortvloeiende verplichtingen, ongeacht of deze verplichtingen zijn uit te voeren door hemzelf dan wel door andere verstrekkers van diensten en zulks onverminderd het recht van de reisorganisator om deze andere verstrekkers van diensten aan te spreken.

snowbird · Post by **snowbird** » 01 Feb 2005, 22:22

@ Tjipke
Keep on dreaming

@ to all
I saw some requests from airline brokers that they request B676 capacity to operate flights to the carribean from next friday.
That means .............. Fill it in for yourself.
TC is looking for alternative capacity!!!!

ANd for those who understands dutch, please go the forum of www.airwork.nl, and specific the Holland exel topics.
It is one big mess.

Make your own conclusions.

HorsePower · Post by **HorsePower** » 01 Feb 2005, 22:47

snowbird wrote:I saw some requests from airline brokers that they request B676 capacity to operate flights to the carribean from next friday.

They still search...

Regards

Seb.

Post by **airbuske** » 01 Feb 2005, 23:23

HorsePower wrote:
snowbird wrote:I saw some requests from airline brokers that they request B676 capacity to operate flights to the carribean from next friday.
They still search...

Regards

Seb.

Where do you see this?

Airbuske

snowbird · Post by **snowbird** » 01 Feb 2005, 23:37

@ airbuske

Ofcourse it is not b676 but B767 capacity.
I have heard/seen this from first hand.
If an airline wants some capacity to operate their flights, they ask an airline broker to find some suitable capacity. The broker sends a general telex or email to all airlines. So then a quick conclusion can be made.

The TUB. How do they operate their ICA flights at the moment (which aircraft/provider)?

HorsePower · Post by **HorsePower** » 01 Feb 2005, 23:38

It was a bad joke, sorry (never heard about B676

)

Seb.

Post by **airbuske** » 01 Feb 2005, 23:54

Thx snowbird for your answer.

But why searching a B767 if Thomas Cook AG and condor has
long haul planes enough ?

Wasn't it been better if they had their own B767 from the beginning?

Airbuske

snowbird · Post by **snowbird** » 02 Feb 2005, 08:36

@airbuske

everything has tpo do with the seatprice.
Belgium exel offered very low prices and nobody can compete them. The price are so low that they operate under costprice.
The same thing in holland. Two big touroperators choosed for HXL iso Martinair due to the very low seatprice.
Condor/thomas cook germany can not compete at all. Theyr are quite expensive

Gate-A1 · Post by **Gate-A1** » 02 Feb 2005, 09:12

It was on TV yesterday (Canal Z)

Thomas Coock plan B

They will use a Condor 757
For flight to Dominica republic there is a stop at the portugal islands due to the ranges capabilities of a 757.

Flight to Puket will not be oppered until April or May due to lack of pax
So no prob now for Best tour

Post by **airbuske** » 02 Feb 2005, 10:52

Thx snowbird!

V-Bird · Post by **V-Bird** » 02 Feb 2005, 11:32

latest news: the dutch board of aviation is thinking of frozen the license of ExelAviationGroup;

http://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/news/?ID=7204 ( dutch only )

and KLM Cityhopper taking over all Air Exel flights from Maastricht Aachen Airport

http://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/news/?ID=7205 ( dutch only )

sab319 · Post by **sab319** » 02 Feb 2005, 13:59

RYR8023 wrote:
Gate-A1 wrote:It was on TV yesterday (Canal Z)

Thomas Cook plan B : They will use a Condor 757
Raaah, poor passengers, they will be quite cramped, like sardines in their box Even from Madrid to Brussels in an Iberia 757, I couldn't feel my legs anymore

Well they did that when SLR went bankrupt too...

(Condor has several stored B757's but No Stored b767's it seems...)

Gate-A1 · Post by **Gate-A1** » 02 Feb 2005, 18:41

EAG is falling!

The aircrafts are in Toulouse

http://www.pbl.levillage.org/suite.php?id_news=51