Some interesting revelations from Singapore,Emirates and?

bits44 · Post by **bits44** » 25 Jan 2005, 05:52

Some interesting opinions from Singapore, Emirates, and Cathay Pacific

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BP · Post by BP » 25 Jan 2005, 13:34

I would have thought that Singapore Airlines would be a prime candidate to launch the Boeing 747 ADV, considering the role of the B747 has had in their fleet this past years. It also seems to me that slowly we will be seeing the retirement of the B747 in favour of the B777 and the A380. Lets not forget that until this moment the Boeing 747ADV is nothing more than a paper plane, in which if Boeing is thinking of launching they better do it soon.

Andries · Post by **Andries** » 25 Jan 2005, 13:51

BP wrote:I would have thought that Singapore Airlines would be a prime candidate to launch the Boeing 747 ADV, considering the role of the B747 has had in their fleet this past years. It also seems to me that slowly we will be seeing the retirement of the B747 in favour of the B777 and the A380.

It has since some time been known that Singapore Airlines would start to concentate it fleet on 777's rather than on 747's ...

The Boeing 747 PAX-version is slowly starting to die ... JAL announced that they would replace the Jumbo's flying to FRA and LHR by 777-300ER's ...
Boeing is killing it's own product with a new one ...

About the ADV ... it's a paper plane now and I think it 'll stay that way ... I don't think airlines will order the 747ADV. The 777-300ER has got more chance of orders I think, although it cannot seat 450 PAX in 3 classes ... but if I'm not mistaking, Airbus has got a sollution to that

Greetz,

Andries

sab319 · Post by **sab319** » 25 Jan 2005, 14:55

Well the same thing happened to the 707 when the 747 took the skies...

BP · Post by BP » 25 Jan 2005, 17:05

One way that Airbus can defend its possiton against the B747ADV might be the introduction of the shortend A380-700. Even though this derrivative might be too heavy to start off, am sure that Airbus would introduce a revised wing, as the corrent wing was built to handel the streched versin the A380-900. This may prove a more logical decision for Airlines which already use the A380.

HorsePower · Post by **HorsePower** » 25 Jan 2005, 19:00

I don't think the B777-300 can be stretched more. An A380-700 is always possible but it will have very poor performance (I'm speaking about fuel consumption, not range), even if with a shorter span, like was the shortened B747SP (Special Performances = Long Range), so I don't see Airbus to go with it. (Anyway, they have already enough to do with A350-800/-900, A380-800F, A380-900, A400M, KC330/A330-200F

...)

I really think Boeing is the best positionned to fill the gap between A340-600/B777-300 (max. 380 pax) and the A380-800 (aprox. 555 seats in a 3 class configuration) with a B747-Adv (20ft/3.6m stretched) for 450/460 pax in a 3 class configuration.

AF B777-300ER = 310 pax
AF A380-800 = 530/540 pax

AF B747-Adv = 430 pax?

My 0,02€

Seb.

EDIT=typo

rerj37 · Post by **rerj37** » 26 Jan 2005, 13:18

Several of the airline heads gathered in Toulouse and Singapore the last week have been quizzed about various as-yet-unlaunched aircraft: it seems that most want more capacity, rather than less. So Virgin Atlantic and Emirates want a larger A380, Emirates and Etihad want a larger 7E7.

Of course, the reveal of the A380 tended to show offf some of the less efficient uses of the space, like duty-free shops and lounges, and not the truly enormous numbers of lower-class passengers that might be packed in, probably because the airlines want the glamour aspect emphasised.

Some of the press coverage was not impressed!

Back when the 747 was launched, and when there were only two classes of seating, none of which lay flat, it was advertised as a 382-seater, if memory serves. Economy seating was none-abreast - and soon went to ten. Then when the Japanese domestics started flying it the passenger capacity went up. I believe Corsair may have the densest configuration now.

The very-long-haul flights now operated with A346s use low-density configurations - is this because of weight restrictions, or are the airlines so solicitous of their passengers' creature comforts?

Robin Johnson

BP · Post by BP » 26 Jan 2005, 16:36

I beleive that with the extra floor space available on the A380, airlines will be abel to offer its customers a premium quality service. This may be crucial as low cost carries seem to poping up everywhere. Traditional airlines will have to offer more value for money. This may come with the introduction of Duty Free shops, Massage Therary ect...
Many of the launch customers for the A380 have revealed that many will be introducing its aircraft with around 500 seats, for an aircraft that with the typical three class configuration can seat 550, this may mean that many will be offering some of these extras.

HorsePower · Post by **HorsePower** » 26 Jan 2005, 18:29

rerj37 wrote:The very-long-haul flights now operated with A346s use low-density configurations - is this because of weight restrictions, or are the airlines so solicitous of their passengers' creature comforts?

Actually, they are A345s

. As you said, carriers have to made a choice between payload and range. Also, passengers need comfort for ultra long flights.

Regards

Seb.

HorsePower · Post by **HorsePower** » 26 Jan 2005, 20:44

ground maneuver camera system (Boeing):
http://www.securaplane.com/pdf/GMCSds.pdf

Seb.

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Some interesting revelations from Singapore,Emirates and?

Some interesting revelations from Singapore,Emirates and?

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