finally new fokker f-70 orders

V-Bird · Post by **V-Bird** » 20 Jan 2005, 17:52

air iran orded f-70 jets;

Link removed by admin luchtzak as it leads to error 404-page

it is also published ( in dutch ) on the webpage of "het financiele nieuws " en rtlz.nl, it was published on dow jones.com, but i cant find it anymore.... i am glad that somebody has posted it on airliners, so i can give you the link to airliners.net.

earthman · Post by **earthman** » 20 Jan 2005, 18:51

Since Iran is already producing licensed An-140 planes, would they not be better off licensing the new An-148? It would appear that it's a similar aircraft to the Fokker 70.

Comet · Post by **Comet** » 20 Jan 2005, 19:11

Weren't VLM once considering the Fokker 70?

SicilianFalcon · Post by **SicilianFalcon** » 20 Jan 2005, 22:35

Ok totally confused here, I thought Fokker stopped making planes a logn while ago

Comet · Post by **Comet** » 21 Jan 2005, 10:28

SicilianFalcon wrote:Ok totally confused here, I thought Fokker stopped making planes a logn while ago

Never heard of Rekkof?

Post by **luchtzak** » 21 Jan 2005, 10:34

Comet wrote:
SicilianFalcon wrote:Ok totally confused here, I thought Fokker stopped making planes a logn while ago
Never heard of Rekkof?

Give SicilianFalcon a link Comet

https://www.aviation24.be/postlite7102-rekkof.html with some extra info on Rekkof

Comet · Post by **Comet** » 21 Jan 2005, 10:39

Sorry Luchtzak

I have very little time online just now because VC10 wants to make some phone calls, so I did not have time to search for more info.

But I think one of the high ups in VLM was involved with Rekkof and they were going to put some of Fokker's jets back into production. And I read that VLM were interested in the F70 because it is a jet which can operate into LCY.

an-148 · Post by **an-148** » 21 Jan 2005, 11:30

here is the webpage of REKKOF:
http://www.rekkof.nl/leftframe/indexleftframe.htm

Post by **sn26567** » 21 Jan 2005, 11:46

Comet wrote:But I think one of the high ups in VLM was involved with Rekkof.

The CEO of Rekkof Jaap Rosen Jacobson is also the Chairman of VLM. But he is intelligent enough to keep the two companies separate: that's why VLM will not buy the F70, but stick to the F50.

Comet · Post by **Comet** » 21 Jan 2005, 12:05

sn26567 wrote:
Comet wrote:But I think one of the high ups in VLM was involved with Rekkof.
The CEO of Rekkof Jaap Rosen Jacobson is also the Chairman of VLM. But he is intelligent enough to keep the two companies separate: that's why VLM will not buy the F70, but stick to the F50.

I knew there was some connection between the two but I couldn't think of names.

And I did read somewhere that VLM were possible customers for the relaunched Fokker 70, it was in Airliner World some time ago. I would have thought that a progression to a jet type which could operate into LCY would be a good move for VLM because it would allow them to expand and to serve destinations outside the reach of the Fokker 50, and would also give the airline more capacity because the Fokker 50 flights from LCY are very often full.

SicilianFalcon · Post by **SicilianFalcon** » 21 Jan 2005, 18:55

WoW

I must say i never had the slightest clue about any of this REKKOF stuff.

I assume it has been public knowledge for a while then. I Must have been asleep 8O for the last few years. Thanks for the link and the info.

JetB · Post by **JetB** » 21 Jan 2005, 18:58

Is there really a market in the long run for Rekkof.

Boeing is going to stop 717 production soon.

Comet · Post by **Comet** » 21 Jan 2005, 19:10

I think there is a market for regional types, many manufacturers have made them. Airports like London City depend on the continued availability of the regional jet.

I think Boeing probably stopped production of the 717 because it wasn't entirely their design, like the MD-11 is no longer produced. MD had really developed the DC-9 and its variants and it had been a very fine aircraft. I wouldn't have thought that the type had come to the end of its natural life. I think Boeing probably prefer to concentrate on their own designs and seem to be looking more to the 7E7 than anything else, especially with the A380 newly unveiled.

Buzz · Post by **Buzz** » 21 Jan 2005, 19:11

JetB wrote:Is there really a market in the long run for Rekkof.

Boeing is going to stop 717 production soon.

Do you think that in 20 years everybody is going to fly a380?

If they can deliver an efficient, not to expensive, modern family of regional jetLiners, than of course there's a market for them. They will have to be better than Embrear if they want to catch up the lost time...

HorsePower · Post by **HorsePower** » 21 Jan 2005, 19:17

An A380 landing at LCY, I want to see that!

Seb.

EDIT: by the way, for those who are interrested by Fokker and Rekkof aircraft, here is a good forum:

http://www.fokker-aircraft.info/forum/

beaucaire · Post by **beaucaire** » 21 Jan 2005, 19:48

Embraer seem to have a little lifecycle issue..
Fokker aircaft seem to support more take-off and landing cycles than the brasilian aircraft ..
Correct me if I am wrong !

beaucaire · Post by **beaucaire** » 22 Jan 2005, 11:55

"A E170/175 airframe is certified for........ 30.000 cycles(take off, pressurized, landings) which means even now there economic life time would end after just 10 years which makes it very hard with the current ticket price to earn some money.
A F70 will be cheaper(list price below 19mil $) and is certified for 90.000 cycles or an economic life span of 30 years.
In my view that is where the interest is coming from."

this is from a member in a.net forum..
answers my question !!!!

HorsePower · Post by **HorsePower** » 22 Jan 2005, 13:01

I have no clue about the certified cycles of F70/Emb170.

Aviopic said Emb 170 have 30.000 certified cycles but i remember I have read 60.000 in an other A.net thread.

Anyway, the under carriage is one thing, the rest of the aircraft is an other...

My best hopes for the F70 revival!

Seb.