The revealing of the new A380, 18 Jan

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pfff i expected more from the show. It was also live on CNN (better listening to english then german ;-) ).
But i dint enjoy the show either. It was boring. Took way too long before you saw the AC. And the moment of revealing it was more like a funeral ....
How long did we see the aircraft live? 2 minutes? In a show from 2 hours ... i'm sorry.
I saw pictures of the TUI Airlines Belgium kickoff party where the TUB AC was revealed, well whatching those pics (so not live and no video!) was honestly way more fantastic then todays "show".
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They just pushed the buttons the put on the lights ;)

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Well to be honest I really appreciated the show, to refresh our memory we could see the A300/A310 then the A320-family then the A330/A340. A 'why we chose the A380' from different aviation CEO's from Lufthansa, Emirates, Singapore, Air France, ...

Of course 'noblesse oblige' with speeches from Chirac, Blair, Zapatero and Schreuder ;-)

This A380-project has costed a lot of money and I think a well-orchestrated media-appearance with a 2-hour live-show is appropriate for a new aviation era!

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Post by CN-RAM »

what a terrible show - we didn't see anything of the aircraft! or very little! how ridiculous! i didn't want to see the heads of states and CEOs of various companies - the aircraft should have been the centre of attention.

watched it on sky news int - they had various aviation experts commentating and giving their views and it was fantastic.

for instance they were talking about if the a380 had a mid-flight emergency - would en-route airfields be capable of accomodating it and they went on to talk about ETOPS etc - fantastic

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I really hope the ceremony is not representative of what aviation will be like in the future.. Flying is supposed to be fun!

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A few interesting articles on the BBC-website:

Can Airbus conquer the world?

Airbus unveils 'superjumbo' jet

Het Laatste Nieuws:

Airbus stelt superjumbo A380 voor

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In Luchtzak News (in English): Airbus jumbo jet's coming out party (with link to CNN and Reuters)

In La Libre Belgique (in French): Le paquebot des airs

In Le Soir (in French): L'A380 dévoilé

In La Dernière Heure (in French): Show à l'américaine pour la présentation de l'A380 de l'européen Airbus
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I also thought the show was rather dissappointing ... When they finally (after more than 90 minutes) show the aircraft it is barely visible ... :?

Well, we can only hope the first flight will provide us with better video footage ...

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a dutch news site with video http://www.nu.nl/news.jsp?n=469683&c=32

and a lot of english news posts here

http://news.google.com/?hl=en&ncl=http: ... r%3Deurope

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Post by regi »

I suppose the live show must have been pretty impressive. But I agree that it didn't work out fine on the small screen. But the show was not intended for the small screen, it was for the VIP's who paid for it (with our money)
The real moment will be when it starts its testprogramm and a first commercial delivery. Then we will hear silence from Seattle.

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wasn't a very good show, i recorded it and well i saw some pieces because it was in german and i dont understand it so i saw the pieces about the aircraft itself and indeed there are very few of them :? . I hope for some nice pics maybe to see and of course looking forward to see the first flight (to bad i wont be at toulouse to see it :( ) Damn school :evil:

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Let's not be in bad mood! The show was beautiful. It was not intended for aviation buffs, but for politicians and the public at large.

The aviation enthusiasts will have other more thrilling opportunities to discover the Airbus A380. And the new Airbus corporate livery!
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Here is an image of the A380:

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http://www.airliners.net/open.file/759763/L/

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The show wasn't that great, but still not bad either. I think it's a bit of a usual presentation show...

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Hello everyone!

I would really like to see him in LBG too , in early June this year.
But the most stupid thing is that i have exams in that period!!!!

:dammit: :dammit: :dammit: :evil: :evil: :evil:

I guess i'll need to wait a couple of year until someone flies it to BRU.

:(:(:(

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But the most stupid thing is that i have exams in that period!!!!
Euhm, never taught of going to LHR or something? If you wait untill she comes to here ... good luck :twisted:

But indeed, exams always are on the wrong time ...
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I read some interesting issues about the A380 presentation and consquences:
Neither Dixon* nor any of the other airline chiefs at the ceremony mentioned anything about the likely effect of the new fuel-efficient aircraft on prices. This is despite the A380 reputedly being at least 20% cheaper to operate per passenger than the Boeing 747. One factor behind the A380's increased fuel efficiency and longer range is that about 25% of the aircraft is made of composite material (mainly carbon-fibre), making it considerably lighter.

In flying the A380 to Los Angeles, Qantas hopes it will overcome the handicap of not being able to fly full loads (people and freight) over the Pacific with its 747. The A380 can fly 10% further than a 747.


And we know Sir Richard Branson**, attempted to steal the show at the A380 unveiling by talking up the prospect of onboard luxuries ranging from casinos, massage rooms and double beds.

Mr Ahmed bin Saeed Al-Maktoum*** said: "There are continued constraints on traffic rights and the availability of landing slots, and therefore large capacity aircraft will be vital to Emirates' need to meet increasing passenger demand."

* Mr Geoff Dixon is the chief executive of Qantas.
** Sir Richard Branson does the same job at Virgin Atlantic.
*** Mr Ahmed bin Saeed Al-Maktoum is the sheik, chairman of the A380's largest customer - Emirates, who with the other emerates' Ethihad, tries to aggressively (Emirates' need to meet increasing passenger demand ???) brake in foreign traffic rights++ with no respect for the sovereignity of others, nor their culture, liberties or democratic regimes and with bigger capacity aircraft, with no or very little home market.

++ In my opinion, such traffic rights should be made conditional upon the airline's country cultural and democratic regimes, and not depending on its money and petrol. May I remind there are no political parties in th UAE, and particularly that all emirates have secular and Islamic law for civil, criminal, and high courts, which is not acceptable in civil aviation.
The CIA states (updated DEC16. 2004): the UAE is a drug transshipment point for traffickers given its proximity to southwest Asian drug producing countries; the UAE's position as a major financial center makes it vulnerable to money laundering; anti-money-laundering controls improving

:?: Emirates' need to meet increasing passenger demand :?:
Are the UAE's airlines really creating demand or just undercutting other airlines' rates with their heavily subsidised vehicles? On the other hand, these subsidised purchases of european aircraft, allow Airbus to build more aircraft than Boeing. Wonder how long the USA will take that!

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SN30952 wrote:Wonder how long the USA will take that!
Well, to change that, the US would need to change their Middle East policy. But that's another story that would bring us in the forbidden zone of politics.
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sn26567 wrote: that would bring us in the forbidden zone of politics.
And religion, too. God bless, me and you and all the others 8)

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Fedex is buying A380. It made a nice comparison:
The A380 is capable of flying more than 150 metric tonnes within 1,100 cubic meters, and provides significantly lower direct operating costs than today's largest flying aircraft.

The A380 Freighter, which has a range of about 11,100km, will have ton/mile costs that are expected to be approximately 15 to 20% lower than the MD-11-- the company's largest aircraft.

FedEx Express, the first US carrier to order the aircraft, was among 20 carriers who actively participated in working groups throughout the early conceptual phase of the A380 programme, helping to ensure a market-matched product by design.

Purchase quantity: 10-A380-800F
Delivery date: 3 in 2008; 3 in 2009; 3 in 2010; 1 in 2011.
Engine: General Electric-Pratt & Whitney Engine Alliance's GP7200
FedEx has signed a 20-year fleet management agreement with the Engine Alliance for the engines' maintenance. The contract begins in 2008.
Capacity: More than 330,000 lbs (150 metric tonnes) within 40,000 cubic feet (1,100 cubic metres),
This is twice the payload of the MD-11, which is 155,000 lbs. within 19,000 cubic feet.
Wing Span: 261 feet 10 inches/ 79.8 metres (747-100 = 59,64 m)
Length: 239 feet 6 inches / 73 metres (747-100 = 70,66 m)
Height: 79 feet 1 inch / 24.1 metres (747-100 = 19,33 m, I compare to the 747-100 because that was the launching model, the A380 will certainly develop as that 747-100 did)
Fuel Tank Capacity: 82,000 US gallons / 310,000 litres.
I remember the Max. take-off weight of the B747-100 was 333.333kg + or - (easy figure). MTOW includes the fuel tank capacity, the zero fuel weight (ZFW) and the payload. Here the A380 has that weight only for its fuel.....
And as you all know, the 747-123SC is a B747-100 geared for Shuttle Carrier by the NASA.

Range: 6,000 nautical miles / 11,100 km,
Currently, the MD-11 has a range of 4,200 nautical miles.
Routing: Initially, long-range routes from FedEx hubs in Asia to FedEx hubs in North America hubs.
Additional EMEA to North America and EMEA to APAC routing will be added.

Delivery of the first A380 cargo plane will be followed by two more by the end of 2008, three more in 2009, three in 2010 and the 10th in 2011.

Note: A B747-400F has a Max. payload of about 120.230 kg

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