Etihad Airways soon in Brussels

[SN30952]

May I remind we delt with the freedoms of the air as the basics were laid down in Chicago Convention, 1944, in Luchtzak (*Sep29, 2003)
A quick reminder:
First Freedom
The right to fly and carry traffic over the territory of another partner to the agreement without landing.
Second Freedom
The right to land in those countries for technical reasons such as refueling without emplaning or deplaning passengers.
Third Freedom
The right to land in those countries and deplane passengers coming from the airline's own country.
Fourth Freedom
The right to land in those countries and board passengers going to the airline's own country.
Fifth Freedom
The right to land in those countries and deplane or emplane passengers going to or coming from a third country.
Sixth Freedom
The right to carry traffic from one state through the home country to a third state.
Seventh Freedom
The right to carry traffic from one state to a third state without going through the home country.
Eighth Freedom
This is called cabotage and very few countries permit it.

And with BERMUDA II

[themole]

Where did you got your definition from? Are you still using your KGB dictionary, themole?

I got it from the 'Webster's New World Medical Dictionary' of all places, used by millions of MDs worldwide. You can also find it online, www.medicinenet.com or www.medterms.com.

So, am I associated with the former Soviet espionage unit 'KGB' now? It's not even funny.
Oh well, why do I even bother anymore ...

[regi]

despite the will to be positive, may I refer to the website of Etihad itself where we don't see any word about Brussels or Toronto?

[sn-remember]

Do you really think that an airline launches Brussels services if the market prospect would be as good as hopeless? The customers determine if there is a market or not, not the airport, nor the operating airline itself, or any kind of statistic. The best that an airline can do is offer a good product, proper marketing & sales, acceptable schedules, reasonable connections & fares, and most importantly a direct airlink. The rest is up to the - potential - customers. When a certain market ex-Brussels is not stimulated or activated, it will remain dead or better yet, it will develop elsewhere.

I could'nt agree more with you Themole !
It is not

"themole" riot again

but Themole applause !
We all salute the dedication of the people working today for a successful future at BRU's airport ![/quote]

[SN30952]

Look what I found in my archives: Air Canada To Serve United Arab Emirates
Air Canada has been designated by Transport Canada to serve the United Arab Emirates under a code share agreement with Emirates, a U.A.E. carrier.
Air Canada will provide code share services between points in Canada and Dubai, in cooperation with Emirates via London. Code share services will be daily from Calgary, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto and Vancouver, and five times weekly from Halifax and St. John’s. Air Canada will be the operating carrier between these Canadian cities and London, and Emirates will be the operating carrier between London and Dubai.

This agreement dates already a few years.

But this means that the UAE carriers are competing.
And what about Air Canada: it will loose traffic on UAE destination.

Meanwhile I see AC prefers to sell this destination as follows: (Air Canada)
AC 9104 OP
Pearson Int'l (YYZ),Terminal 1 18:20 Frankfurt Int'l (FRA), Terminal 1 08:00+1 day Non-stop 343
Or
AC 872
Pearson Int'l (YYZ), Toronto Terminal 1 17:15 Frankfurt Int'l (FRA), Terminal 1 07:00 + 1 day Non-stop / 333
AC 9088 OP TR
Frankfurt Int'l (FRA)Terminal 1 13:00+1 day(s) Dubai (DXB), Dubai, Terminal 1 21:50+1 day(s) Non-stop 744 Duration: 18h30min

And via LON as follows: BMI
BDAC 4868 OP Pearson Int'l (YYZ), Terminal 1 09:00 Heathrow (LHR), Terminal 3 21:15 Non-stop 763 Daily
BMI
BDGF 2612 OP
Heathrow (LHR), London, Terminal 3 22:30 Abu Dhabi Int'l (AUH), Abu Dhabi, 09:30+1 day(s) Non-stop 332 Duration: 15h30min
Notice: OP=Flight operated by another carrier in this case BMI, R=On Request TR=Traffic Restrictions apply to this flight.

Notice also YYZ to AUH via London, connex in both LHR and LGW onto EY304 or 306, and YYZ to DXB via London connex in LHR and LGW onto EK006 or 012.

A quick conclusion arises, a knee-jerk one from me then, that UAE does not get traffic rights from LONDON to Canada. An other conclusion might be, that as soon these rights are granted to UAE's carriers they will be back in London.

[sn-remember]

It means that Etihad beats Ethiopian on BRU-YYZ!

Why no let both carriers on the BRU-YYZ line ?
After all the air transport is so unsetteled that I see no reason why not let both carriers try their chance on that route segment.
They might both be the winner !
Why not ?

[Avro]

Sorry for joining so late in this discussion (it's exam time )

I wasn't able to read all messages, but I still have some questions:

Now that EY has applied for the 5th freedom rights on the AUH-BRU-YYZ.

Does this mean that ET won't be opening a BRU-YYZ route ? Is ET still interested in linking BRU with Ethiopia or was the main purpose the flight to YYZ ?

Thank you for your answers
Chris

[lumumba]

Hi everybody.
So it looks like that SN is discusing with Etihad to code-share with them.
Regards
Patrice

[B737229]

Etihad has applied for slots at the Brussels Airport to operate 3 weekly flights from Abu Dhabi. In its application the airline requested routing is Abu Dhabi-Brussels-Toronto. SN Brussels Airlines would be in talks about a possible codeshare with Etihad.


www.justplanes.com

[themole]

Just for your info, the last details in regard to the Toronto deal have now been finalized. This means that after the confirmation of Etihad Airways as new intercontinental carrier in Brussels, I can also confirm the Abu Dhabi - Brussels - Toronto - Brussels - Abu Dhabi routing. Besides Brussels & Toronto, Etihad Airways will also launch Frankfurt services soon.

[lumumba]

Thax themole for the confirmation.
Pat

[Kapitein]

Themole,

do you have any idea about the schedules in and out of BRU.

[Avro]

Thanks for the confirmation Themole.

Is it also true that SN might put its code on the the EY flights ?

BTW nice avatar

Chris

[regi]

Still no mentioning of Brussels on the Etihad website.
Wishfull thinking?

[B737229]

So 3 flights a week , in each direction will mean a total of 6 Etihad flights a week into BRU .. nice for the spotters

[Bruspotter]

Hello

WOULD be REAL NICE!!!!!!!!!

Especially if they would use the A380 that they would have ordered(no confirmation , just heard about it) to stop between in BRU.

Even if only one flight a week would be with the 388, it still would be nice!


Best regards: Yannick

[Badabing]

Still no mentioning of Brussels on the Etihad website.
Wishfull thinking?

Patience, young master, have patience. 8)

[sn26567]

Especially if they would use the A380 that they would have ordered(no confirmation , just heard about it) to stop between in BRU.

Didn't you hear somebody from BIAC saying on television (RTBF) yesterday that BRU was not ready to receive the A380? Not now and not before 2008, when the A380F will come out.

As for A380 passengers flights, it is doubtful that BRU will ever see the A380. Too small market for such a big plane. BIAC will not invest in building the suitable jetways and adapt the terminal(s).

[liebensd]

As for A380 passengers flights, it is doubtful that BRU will ever see the A380. Too small market for such a big plane. BIAC will not invest in building the suitable jetways and adapt the terminal(s).

And too close to big airports., FRA CDG LHR AMS ex..

Greetz,

Dave

[Loadcontroller]

Maybe the idea of removing the satellite and place a new building over there for long-hauls will become reality!

Biman, united, continental , delta, etihad, holland excell, yes yes ....