Which aircraft is best for European regional low fare routes

tom033 · Post by **tom033** » 14 Jan 2005, 09:23

Hi everybody,
I wonder which aircraft would be the best (and most profitable regarding costs) to operate european regional routes for a low fare regional airline ? A Dash 8 Q400, a F70 or an ATR 72 ?

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an-148 · Post by **an-148** » 14 Jan 2005, 11:59

Flybe uses Dash8 (Q400) and it seems to work well for LCC
F70 is a jet: fuel costs maybe too high
ATR slower than Q400, so difference will appear in blocktime after more than 150-200NM

tom033 · Post by **tom033** » 14 Jan 2005, 12:19

Thanks for your answer !
Anybody knows the operating costs of a DASH 8 Q400 (leasing, fuel, maintenance...) ?

L-1011 · Post by **L-1011** » 14 Jan 2005, 16:23

Here are some basic informations about this plane

the Q400A version has

Passengers (normal): 70
Passengers (max.): 78
Cargo (max.): 760 kg
MTOW: 28.230 kg

Reach: 1.850-4.180 km
Fuelburn: 1.85 l/km
Cruise speed: 565 km/h
T/O run : 1.090-1.370 m
Landing "run": 870-1.290 m
Noise regulation: Stage V
3-Letter-Code: DH4

built: 1998 - today

the Q400B version has

Passengers (normal): 70
Passengers (max.): 78
Cargo (max.): 760 kg
MTOW: 29.230 kg

Reach: 2.520km-4.180 km
Fuelburn: 1.85 l/km
Cruise speed: 565 km/h
T/O run : 1.090-1.405 m
Landing "run": 870-1.290 m
Noise regulation: Stage V
3-Letter-Code: DH4

built: 2001 - today

Hope that can help

ciao,
TriStar

HorsePower · Post by **HorsePower** » 14 Jan 2005, 16:37

From my database:

ATR 72-500 1997

MRW 22,170kg 22,670kg
MTOW 22,000kg 22,500kg
MLW 21,850kg 22,350kg
MZFW 20,000kg 20,300kg (optional)
OWE 12,950kg 12,950kg
Max payload 7,050kg 7,350kg
Max fuel load 5,000kg 5,000kg

Max cruise speed 276/275kt (optional weight) at 16,000ft
Max cruise ceiling

Typical FF

Range 715/890Nm (optional weight) with 68 pax at high cruise speed
Capacity 64-72 seats
Engine 2 PW 127F 2,475 SHP / 2,750 SHP with 1 engine out
Propeller 6-blades Hamilton Standard / Ratier-Figeac 568F (155" diameter)

BOMBARDIER Dash 8-Q400 2000

MTOW 29,257kg (High Gross Weight)
MLW 28,009kg (HGW)
MZFW 25,855kg (HGW)
OWE 17,108kg
Max payload 8,747kg
Max fuel load 5,351kg at 0.82 (6,526l)

Max cruise speed 360kt (3,947 SHP cruising max power)
Max cruise ceiling 25,000ft (27,000ft optional)

Typical FF

Range 1,362Nm with 74 pax
Capacity 68-78 seats
Engine 2 PW 150A 4,580 SHP 5,071 SHP max (3,800kW)
Propeller 6-blades Dowty R408 (162" diameter)

Unfortunately, I haven't got the typical Fuel Flow of these two birds...

Seb.

tom033 · Post by **tom033** » 15 Jan 2005, 11:29

Thanks for your answers. I think the Q400 is a great aircraft. What would be interesting to know is the fuel flow...

an-148 · Post by **an-148** » 15 Jan 2005, 15:43

interresting, look at: http://www.q400.com/q400/fr/turbo.jsp or: http://www.hesaco.com/iran140/regional.htm
(an-140 + study of 68pax stretched version

HorsePower · Post by **HorsePower** » 15 Jan 2005, 16:37

Definitely, the Q400 have a higher FF than the ATR 72-500, but it can carry 6 more peoples and goes faster. It will be interresting to follow CCM's decision concerning the renewval of their 6 ATR 72-200 with either Q400 or 72-500. BBD already stated it will pay for the crew conversion if the Q400 is selected.

Regards

Seb.