Etihad Airways soon in Brussels

blackhawk · Post by **blackhawk** » 07 Jan 2005, 19:36

A380 or not, they are coming to Brussels, creating a nice link between UAE, Brussels and Toronto, and also one to Asia. When you take a look at airliners.net, you'll notice they like to switch equipment (A330 - A340) so probably we will see both of them over here.

Post by **Bottie** » 07 Jan 2005, 19:41

blackhawk wrote:A380 or not, they are coming to Brussels, creating a nice link between UAE, Brussels and Toronto, and also one to Asia. When you take a look at airliners.net, you'll notice they like to switch equipment (A330 - A340) so probably we will see both of them over here.

Only time will tell

lumumba · Post by **lumumba** » 07 Jan 2005, 21:24

Hi everybody.
First yoepieeeeeeeeeee.
Now my question is there a fifth freedom on this flight?
Regards
Pat

Post by **luchtzak** » 07 Jan 2005, 21:37

It's amazing that it had to take so long before any newspaper published this in their editions, this news was announced long ago on www.luchtzak.be 8)

lumumba · Post by **lumumba** » 07 Jan 2005, 21:50

Hi luchtzak.
But it was not so clear I mean Toronto etc...
Also you now :Eerst zien en dan geloven he.
Regards
Pat

SN30952 · Post by **SN30952** » 08 Jan 2005, 07:24

Brubiac wrote:...... I think theres only 1 remotestand that is able to park on, the contactstands are to small.
Next problem is to find a perfect pushbar...

1 stand will be enough, as the A380 transittime will not exceed 2h hours and that gives 8 daily slots for A380...
And then they can use that one push-towbar?

ERICAIRLINES · Post by **ERICAIRLINES** » 08 Jan 2005, 10:38

very good news for biac and bru....but do you believe there is a market for those two destinations ?? even yyz (if allowed to take pax at bru) has a very limited potential compared with yul (see bsp iata sales for belux 03/04 )...not to say there is no market at all for the uae from bru....at least o/d...if goog connections are possible there maybe ,but to wich points beyond ?? jnb ??

Advisor · Post by **Advisor** » 08 Jan 2005, 10:43

luchtzak wrote:It's amazing that it had to take so long before any newspaper published this in their editions, this news was announced long ago on www.luchtzak.be 8)

:rock: Luchtak Rocks Bart :rock:

I think many leading media and news papers take our information and then getting a cue from it, work on their stories

All thanks to you Bart,

For starting something like this.

May you Soar all your life

Boeing767copilot · Post by **Boeing767copilot** » 08 Jan 2005, 11:37

Sorry friends, but nothing is sure about Etihiad in Brussels. The only thing they did was asking slots. But how many airline company's didn't ask slots for BRU last years? Remember easyJet two years ago, and so many others ...

lumumba · Post by **lumumba** » 08 Jan 2005, 13:11

Hi boeing767copilot.
it's true about the slots but if De tijd and the VRT anounced it it's somthing els.
Regards
pat

Boeing767copilot · Post by **Boeing767copilot** » 08 Jan 2005, 13:49

Hi Lumumba,

The only thing that De Tijd wrote was the news about the slots. And Belga and VRT took over the news from the newspaper....

OrientThai · Post by **OrientThai** » 08 Jan 2005, 14:10

ERICAIRLINES wrote:very good news for biac and bru....but do you believe there is a market for those two destinations ?? even yyz (if allowed to take pax at bru) has a very limited potential compared with yul (see bsp iata sales for belux 03/04 )...not to say there is no market at all for the uae from bru....at least o/d...if goog connections are possible there maybe ,but to wich points beyond ?? jnb ??

Etihad should offer good connections to BKK and India. They're doing quite well on the GVA-AUH route because they offer good connection and prices to BKK.
Look at this site: http://www.laperlenoire.ch/ey.htm (sorry only in french)
BTW, Etihad doesn't fly to JNB.

Sorry friends, but nothing is sure about Etihiad in Brussels. The only thing they did was asking slots. But how many airline company's didn't ask slots for BRU last years? Remember easyJet two years ago, and so many others ...

Then why would Etihad post job offers in BIAC website...
(http://www.biac.be/jobs/jobs2.cfm)

themole · Post by **themole** » 08 Jan 2005, 17:58

Ladies & gentlemen,

I once more confirm that Etihad Airways will start-up Brussels operations in a couple of months, and my source is nor BIAC, nor BSC and certainly not the press.

I truly try to understand your scepticism, but negative vibes are never that far away when a particular airline plans to launch Brussels services. It's always the same systematic kind of interpretation around here. Is there a market? How long will it last before they drop Brussels? Almost never do I detect a bit of hope, faith or determination, just never ending scepticism.

Do you really think that an airline launches Brussels services if the market prospect would be as good as hopeless? The customers determine if there is a market or not, not the airport, nor the operating airline itself, or any kind of statistic. The best that an airline can do is offer a good product, proper marketing & sales, acceptable schedules, reasonable connections & fares, and most importantly a direct airlink. The rest is up to the - potential - customers. When a certain market ex-Brussels is not stimulated or activated, it will remain dead or better yet, it will develop elsewhere.

I suggest to the non-believers that they wait until the moment comes that your beloved main Brussels carrier SN Brussels Airlines starts-up new intercontinental services, outside Africa and operated with their own equipment. Give me a sign when the wait is over ...

lumumba · Post by **lumumba** » 08 Jan 2005, 18:14

Hi Boeing767copilot.
De tijd says CLEARLY that Etihad is gooing to fly Toronto via BRU!
Regards
Pat

Post by **sn26567** » 08 Jan 2005, 18:33

themole wrote:Almost never do I detect a bit of hope, faith or determination, just never ending scepticism.

You will not be surprised that I do not share your pessimistic view. Most people in this forum were enthusiastic, if not over-enthusiastic, about the Etihad news of a link between Brussels and Abu Dhabi.

Themole, you have an unequaled inside knowledge in this matter: could you please answer the question of 5th freedom rights between BRU and YYZ? That would also be an excellent news that I would greet with great enthusiasm.

TWA · Post by **TWA** » 08 Jan 2005, 18:56

Many thanks to "themole" for saying outloud what many...many people think.

(But don't worry : Belgians tend to be more pessimistic about every fact of life and like to question everything more than any other average European.)

TWA

SN30952 · Post by **SN30952** » 08 Jan 2005, 18:58

themole wrote:....I suggest to the non-believers that they wait until the moment comes that your beloved main Brussels carrier SN Brussels Airlines starts-up new intercontinental services, outside Africa and operated with their own equipment. Give me a sign when the wait is over ...

Andre noticed that:
themole wrote:
Almost never do I detect a bit of hope, faith or determination, just never ending scepticism....

Talking about scepticism? Or is that sceptical tunnel vision by a knee-jerk sceptic?

DC7-C · Post by **DC7-C** » 08 Jan 2005, 19:03

lumumba wrote:Hi Boeing767copilot.
De tijd says CLEARLY that Etihad is gooing to fly Toronto via BRU!
Regards
Pat

It would make sense for Etihad to have AUH-BRU-YYZ, since they can cater to the large number of immigrants from the Indian subcontinent. They represent 50% of Aeroflot's YYZ-SVO PAX, a good percentage of BA & LH PAX (out of YYZ), and Air Canada is doing great business on YYZ-DEL route.

themole · Post by **themole** » 08 Jan 2005, 20:15

sn26567 wrote:You will not be surprised that I do not share your pessimistic view. Most people in this forum were enthusiastic, if not over-enthusiastic, about the Etihad news of a link between Brussels and Abu Dhabi.

The spotters are indeed very enthusiastic. Unfortunately they usually spot aircraft from the outside, not from the inside by actually buying a ticket.

sn26567 wrote:Themole, you have an unequaled inside knowledge in this matter: could you please answer the question of 5th freedom rights between BRU and YYZ? That would also be an excellent news that I would greet with great enthusiasm.

I read on this and on other forums that there seems to be a lot of confusion between 5th freedom and 6th freedom traffic rights? I will elaborate the difference, using the assumed Abu Dhabi-Brussels-Toronto routing.

5th Freedom: allows an airline to carry pax on the Abu Dhabi-Toronto, Abu Dhabi-Brussels and Brussels-Toronto sectors.
6th Freedom: allows an airline to carry pax on the Abu Dhabi-Toronto and Abu Dhabi-Brussels sectors, not on the Brussels-Toronto sector.

Etihad Airways clinched 5th freedom traffic rights.

TWA wrote:Many thanks to "themole" for saying outloud what many...many people think.

No need to thank me, TWA. I am used to be the devil's advocate around here.

SN30952 wrote:Talking about scepticism? Or is that sceptical tunnel vision by a knee-jerk sceptic?

The remark I made about SN Brussels Airlines is not even scepticism, it is realism. Me, a tunnel vision? I can honestly claim that my vision on the airline business is one of the most innovative around, and my record proves it! Anyway, before my integrity and know-how is being scandalized or questioned again, I better stop here before some people take this as an opportunity to start a "themole" riot again.

Anyway Fons, unlike you, I do not conduct business from under a Thai palm tree, with a retired cockpit vision in your case. By the way, may I ask why you insult me with calling me a knee-jerk sceptic?

For those who do not know what knee-jerk means:

Knee-jerk: Adjective meaning readily predictable to the point of being automatic. Knee-jerk often has a negative connotation and conveys the idea of an all-too-hasty, impulsive, irrational response based on a preset idea. For example, a dictator's knee-jerk response to a democratic movement is to suppress it.

Thank you Fons!

SN30952 · Post by **SN30952** » 08 Jan 2005, 20:48

themole wrote:For those who do not know what knee-jerk means:
Knee-jerk: Adjective meaning readily predictable to the point of being automatic. Knee-jerk often has a negative connotation and conveys the idea of an all-too-hasty, impulsive, irrational response based on a preset idea. For example, a dictator's knee-jerk response to a democratic movement is to suppress it.

a- we don't use this word often
b- definitions
One of my dictionaries says: adj a knee-jerk reaction, opinion etc is what you feel or say about a situation from habit, without thinking about it. (Longman) 8)
Merriam Webster says:
adjective: readily predictable : AUTOMATIC <knee-jerk reactions>; also : reacting in a readily predictable way <knee-jerk liberals> 8)
The Cambridge Dictionary says: knee-jerk reaction/response, etc. an immediate reaction that does not allow you time to consider something carefully. 8)
c- questions
Where did you got your definition from? Are you still using your KGB dictionary, themole?

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