Avro wrote:Well since you consider the Avro as clearly an SN plane, have a closer look at Airliners.net's logo and you will find out that it is from Qanats . Does this mean that A.net is pro Qanats. No it doesn't.
There is not one indication that clearly shows us that the
www.airliners.net banner is a Qantas 747. But you are right, it indeed is a Qantas. It is based on a “Sam Chui” picture. You can track the picture down in the archives. Did you know that
www.airliners.net even asked the permission of Qantas to use the 747 template? Or do you think that you can just use any picture you like and implement it in a banner? Since
www.airliners.net is a commercial website, this would even be illegal. Photographers may have the copyrights of the pictures that they take, but the company or person that is being photographed has the right to forbid the publication of it. Always keep that in mind!
Avro wrote:If you want to picture a plane in your logo it will always be from a specific airline. And it wouldn't be nice to paint the plane in an all white livery in Photoshop just to have a "neutral" logo would it?
Not necessarily, it can also be a drawing or a template with an especially for luchtzak.be designed livery. How does that sound as an alternative?
Avro wrote:So if you want the website to be more "objective" why don't you write more in pro SNtopics to make a counterbalance for the reader ?
Because after a while, I tend to get a bit tired of always going through the same process. And no matter how hard I try, some people are just not smart enough or simply too ignorant to get it. It all seems to be a waste of my precious time.
A318 wrote:themole, you are talking about hate and childish posts but you forget you started it!
Really? But then again, one should always consider the reliability of the source. And since this remark is coming from you, I shouldn’t take any offence.
A318 wrote:Why complain so much about the SNBA heart in this site?
I am well aware of the fact that this website has a SN Brussels Airlines heart, but that’s exactly the point I am trying to make. This website claims to be fully independent, whilst it is not. Please scroll down and I will elaborate a bit further in this post.
A318 wrote:The owner works with them and it is his passion, he is Belgium and so is the website so why should he not be a little chauvinistic?
There are people from all over the world here and nobody complains, only you.
For starters, I find chauvinism an unhealthy and ignorant attitude. Secondly, I am not complaining. I just have a few quests. Nobody seems to be able to answer those, including the so called administrators. Most people I know don’t even bother anymore to post on these forums. It’s a never ending story anyway. From what I hear, my remarks (in the past or present) get quite some - offline - support. Most people just enjoy it that at least someone dares to challenge a few things around here. And since I am quite literate, I am perfectly capable to fulfil that task and to write down my opinion, feelings and thoughts. I don’t need to launch personal attacks to make my point, and if I do tend to get personal, it is only in my defence. I will not allow this forum to be bullied by people like you at my expense!
A318 wrote:I don't remember you
That’s an honour, I do not want to be associated with an individual like you. You seem to be the prototype of a loud and cocky Dutchman who makes our Dutch friends look arrogant. This whilst the average Dutch citizens are warm and welcoming people. It’s people like you who ruin it for the rest.
A318 wrote:and to be honest it looks like I should be happy about that.
The only thing that you should be happy about is that I am a sport and willing to take your post as such. You have no idea who I am or what I stand for in the airline business, lucky you! I am always open for a good discussion about any subject. But if your ‘arguments’ are nothing more but insults or personal attacks, then you have no idea what you are about to start. But then again it’s only you, so why bother?
A318 wrote:So, stop complaining and wining or go back to where you came from,
You have no idea where I come from. And if you don’t want me to come after you, you better get passed yourself for a second and come to your senses. Your post has absolutely nothing to add to this discussion. It is a well orchestrated attack against me, simply because you enjoy it. Typical “A318”. How is it possible that the individual behind "A318" is a 36 years old man?
A318 wrote:we don't need you at all
Since when are you the spokesman of the luchtzak community? But then again, history has shown us that your arrogance is unlimited. Unlike you, I don’t feel the need to be needed. What this community doesn’t need is narrow minded people like you with a “I hate KLM because they fired me, I hate KLM because they are now part of the KLM-Air France group, I hate Air France, French citizens, the French culture, the French language or everything that is French related, and I am not so fond of Germans either” attitude. All this just out of ignorance and hatred. I won’t even mention your extreme political views. In the civilized world they call this attitude discrimination, if not pure racism. You are an extremist and you should have been banned from these forums a long time ago. People with such an attitude don’t belong here!
So please, go spill your beans in Peru with your girlfriend, far away from European standards and the civilized world, because your extreme views are an insult for every individual with a considerable amount of intellect.
SicilianFalcon wrote:Well said A318 he is a bit of a hypocrite if he reads what he posted he would see he is the one actign childish.
You and "A318" indeed make a nice couple. Hypocrite? Please elaborate if you know what that word means. I stand by every word I have written.
SicilianFalcon wrote:For Themole all you're words are just blabber .... Why would I have to be adolecent because im dont restrain myself from pointing out you act like a baby?
Using civilized and proper language is obviously a hard task for you. It seems you have no sensible arguments to discuss and are not capable of composing serious posts. You apparently use this forum as a podium to show us your sophisticated linguistic skills like “your words are just blabber", "act like a baby", "baby antics", "fabricate rubbish" and last but not least ... "Oh waa waa I missed the bus let me just wee myself and cry for mummy?".
Please get an education, you are desperately in need of it!
SicilianFalcon wrote:Some of us speak our minds and just because you cant handle it you must fabricate rubbish . .
Did you really speak your mind in your replies? Is that really the best you can do? In that case, which one of your 2 brain cells did you use to compose those posts? I will tell you what I can handle though, the truth. Can you?
By the way, even though you claim to be a UK based individual, you apparently aren’t even capable of writing proper English? Get that education! Now!
SicilianFalcon wrote:Quit you're baby antics and deal with the banner ... Like it even matters.
This discussion goes far beyond the banner or its content. And apparently also beyond your comprehension.
SicilianFalcon wrote:Surely the news and information the site supplys is what matters??
This is the first sensible remark you make, congratulations! Not all hope is lost.
sab319 wrote:If you think airliners is that much better, stay there
For starters, I am a bit too old, wise and experienced to take advice of a 17 year old boy. Secondly, I think it is safe to say that almost everyone around here visits
www.airliners.net occasionally or even regularly. So what’s your point? Or are you just hopping on the "themole"-bashing train?
sn26567 wrote:Stop! Objection, your honour!
Overruled.
sn26567 wrote:The administrator in charge of the forum (by default, as nobody else wanted this job),
Well, if it is such a hard task for you all by yourself, I volunteer to become a forum administrator too. I will be more than happy to assist you, even though I already work more than 100 hours a week. And you can be sure of it that I will see to it that the level of the forum will raise drastically by taking care of the idiots who spoil the forums with nonsense. Something that you don’t seem to be capable of.
One of the few individuals who dares to challenge and question SN Brussels Airlines openly, who takes charge of a too much SN Brussels Airlines orientated forum. How is that for a change? Now that’s what I call a true commitment to independence.
But something tells me you and the other administrators will never allow this to happen. Because in that case your reign over the forums is over, and so are the orchestrated SN Brussels Airlines good news shows and ridiculous behind the scenes games.
sn26567 wrote:even if he has "sn" in his nickname, is absolutely not in any way connected with SN Brussels Airlines. Nor are the other administrators apart from Luchtzak himself. My SN comes from Sabena, full stop.
I am well aware of who you are. But it seems you misinterpreted me. What I meant is that even though this clearly is a SN Brussels Airlines orientated forum, SN Brussels Airlines personnel is not free to express their feelings or share their opinions or thoughts around here, even though this is supposed to be an anonymous forum. “Luchtzak” and his colleagues never get involved in SN Brussels Airlines related topics out of fear of repercussions, especially when the topic includes negative SN Brussels Airlines feedback. And if there are a few brave SN Brussels Airlines employees (for instance the flight crews) who dare to tell us what is on their minds, they get insulted by a few ignorant posters who have no idea what is really going on, or they get a private message from ***** where it is clearly stated that when they continue posting, they will get in trouble and will be suspended or fired. These are not only hideous tactics, but this is also a pure form of blackmail. This is the truth and nothing but the truth, and you know it, but systematically refuse to acknowledge it! Where are your infamous forum rules to prevent such a despicable situation?
Speaking of forum rules, what about copyright rules, monsieur André? At least 80% of the articles that are posted in the latest news items section are purely copy & pasted articles, which is illegal. It is not because you change the title or rephrase some of the content that you can bypass copyright regulations. Once more, take an example of
www.airliners.net who outsource their latest news to news providers in order to prevent copyright violation. Am I exaggerating in my plead? Maybe, but you are the one who likes dots and commas that much, well here you are.
sn26567 wrote:And God knows that I have already been in angry discussions with top brass of SN Brussels Airlines about some messages posted in this forum.
I presume you are referring to that one open letter you wrote, addressed to the VP Communication of SN Brussels Airlines? Well, he never replied to it and rightfully so. I wouldn’t have replied to such a letter either.
For what it’s worth, I know a lot of SN Brussels Airlines executives and members of the board of SN Airholding personally. I often discuss my concerns and doubts with them, in regard to some decisions that have been made by the SN Brussels Airlines management. Some of them are well aware of the systematic problems SN Brussels Airlines is facing, and are open for all suggestions -including many of mine- in order to resolve them. But even a SN Brussels executive or a member of the board sometimes feels like an ant who is trying to move a rubber three plant. It takes more than goodwill to make a few essential and much needed changes. Development & innovation requires financial resources and venture capital. This is exactly what SN Brussels Airlines lacks due to undercapitalization.
Besides creating the perception that a Belgian airline can be profitable, and to make forget the Sabena debacle as soon as possible, SN Brussels Airlines its short term strategy is to post profits as soon as possible and at any cost. It makes it a lot easier to find a much needed investor with deep pockets who is willing to buy SN Brussels Airlines or at least become a significant shareholder, and provide SN Brussels Airlines from the much needed financial input and support.
SN Airholding needs to find 150 million €’s (interests included) soon, in order to repay the loan that the Belgian federal government has granted SN Brussels Airlines to start up their operations. It is no secret that they don’t have the money, which means they have to refinance the loan or sell SN Brussels Airlines or at least a part of it. It will be interesting to see what will happen after that.
sn26567 wrote:I will try to keep neutral with regard to any post in this forum, pro or contra SN Brussels Airlines.
Unfortunately, you are far from neutral. Some people get away with the most pointless and insulting posts one could imagine, others -like myself- are closely monitored. Being a forum administrator is more than deleting double posts and topics or constantly referring to the forum rules when people tend to get personal, or cross your imaginary thin red line. Since you can afford yourself to play solo-slim in your reign over the forums, nobody will ever overrule you. What a luxury! I am not saying that you do a terrible job, but please stop pretending as if you are a saint who has all the answers. Your most important task in my opinion, is to make sure that some people don’t ruin serious discussions with dubious and hateful posts.
People who are not able to use proper arguments and elaborate their views or opinions like adults, are the ones who you need to target. Those are the ones who lower the level of this forum, and those are the ones who chase away people who have expertise or interesting opinions, questions, remarks and experiences to share.
If people are not interested in a certain subject, they should simply ignore it. If people wish to participate in a discussion or reply to a posted message where they agree, partially agree or disagree, they can participate or reply on condition that their intervention is relevant and elaborated. Comments like “we don’t need you here
” are not only idiotic, but also needless, pointless and hateful. The use of some common sense doesn’t require the application of any of your forum rules.
But no, you kept silent in this particular topic and allowed people to use inappropriate and childish language. Probably due to the fact that we have a history and that you are more than happy to look the other way when I am involved. It seems history repeats itself.
By the way, you have more than 6000 posts, and you have an opinion about almost everything. But in this topic (even though it is website related and hereby certainly concerns you as an administrator) you keep silent. Until the moment I mentioned the word ‘administrator’. Then you suddenly woke up out of your winter sleep and replied as if your life or position as an administrator is at stake.
The sound of silence of the always so present administrators in this animated discussion is remarkable, though they are the ones who should reply to my quests or observations since this is ‘their’ website.
sn26567 wrote:For the rest, a sound discussion will always be welcome. Pro or contra.
If you call the needless and ‘personal attacks by lack of arguments’ style input of people like “A318” and especially “SicilianFalcon” and many others in other topics sound, then you clearly have a problem with your judgemental skills.
It seems I am not "themole" here, you are … blind whenever it suits you!
sn36567 wrote:But do not cross the tiny red line of slander.
Who are you to determine what is slander and what is not? If people feel that they are subject to slander, they can always post an interesting reply why they think this is the case. At least that’s how people with plenty of character and personality would react. In extreme cases people can always go to court. My holding group of companies has a whole battery of lawyers who work at our legal department. If people want to sue me for any reason, go ahead. They will be left behind stripped from tip to toe.
You may love me or hate me, agree or disagree with me, but at the end of the day I always do have a point. Like it or not!
I’ve had my say, so now some of you can continue the "themole"-bashing session. Good luck with it, and sorry for not being a walkover member!
Especially since the administrators of this website consistently deny that this website is too much SN Brussels Airlines orientated. The SN Brussels Airlines good news shows are highly appreciated, since criticism is a "privilege" for the brave around here. And please, spare me the 'SN Brussels Airlines is the new young Belgian flag carrier who deserves our unconditional support' speech. You are well aware of the ridiculous behind the scenes stories that occurred in the past, so you should know very well what I mean. 
