I am new on this site.
Just heard the news that an MD82 crash landed on Java (Indonesia).
13 People died, at least 50 are injured.
see http://www.nu.nl/news.jsp?n=449655&c=24 ( in Dutch)
MD-82 crash landed in Indonesia
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Mark,
Very sad.
Also on airliners.net with the link:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/1 ... index.html
Anyway welcome.
regards,
athos
Very sad.
Also on airliners.net with the link:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/1 ... index.html
Anyway welcome.
regards,
athos
Thanks for posting this news Mark.
I was reading the article also.
Just a short summary for our English members:
A MD82 from the Indonisian Airline Lion Air ran of the runway at the airport of Solo. 30 people are reported to be killed in this crash and 50 others got wouned.
According to eyewithnisses the plane came from Jakarta with 146 passengers and 7 crewmembers. The plane is reported to be heavely damaged with at least one wing seperated from the fusalage.
This is how a Lion Air MD-82 looks like: http://www.airliners.net/open.file/642592/L
My thoughts are with the family's that lost their loved once in the acccident.
Best Regards,
Yvo
I was reading the article also.
Just a short summary for our English members:
A MD82 from the Indonisian Airline Lion Air ran of the runway at the airport of Solo. 30 people are reported to be killed in this crash and 50 others got wouned.
According to eyewithnisses the plane came from Jakarta with 146 passengers and 7 crewmembers. The plane is reported to be heavely damaged with at least one wing seperated from the fusalage.
This is how a Lion Air MD-82 looks like: http://www.airliners.net/open.file/642592/L
My thoughts are with the family's that lost their loved once in the acccident.
Best Regards,
Yvo
Luckely that there are only 15 dead. At least some people survived the crash. This shows that a crash doesn't always have to be a fatality for everybody.
This is ofcourse again sad news for aviation. There are just to many crashes lately and that will affect people deciding wether to go on vacation by plane or other transportation. I hope this is the last one for this year!!
This is ofcourse again sad news for aviation. There are just to many crashes lately and that will affect people deciding wether to go on vacation by plane or other transportation. I hope this is the last one for this year!!
Sab319 wrote : "haha a slippery runway in Solo... "
Please, Sab319 : would you be able to tell your joke at the cemetery where victims of this crash are being burried ?
Same kind of remark for your post "KLM the 'reliable' airline" with a big smiley because of the crash of B737 at BCN...
If you're a real air fan, you should know that aviation is not a "natural" domain for mankind. We learned (a little bit) about this environment, enough to allow us to use it. And sometimes, it goes wrong. Never laugh at that !!! It should happen to you !
Any crash worldwide qive us a huge impression of sadness, of anguish. For instance, if you look at videos of hard crosswind landings, you could simply laugh against that "idiot" pilot... But if YOU have ever been in that situation, you will understand what this pilot is feeling at this precise moment... and will never laugh at it !
Given the amount of securities and cross-checks, aviation is of course the safest transportation media available. But also the most sensitive to human phantasms, as aerodynamics are far away of "natural" human understandings. Each aviation crash have a negative influence over the whole business.
My purpose here is to pinpoint the fact that all aviaton enthousiast -and we all should be on this site- should normally feel solidary with any worldwide aviation colleague...
Please, Sab319 : would you be able to tell your joke at the cemetery where victims of this crash are being burried ?
Same kind of remark for your post "KLM the 'reliable' airline" with a big smiley because of the crash of B737 at BCN...
If you're a real air fan, you should know that aviation is not a "natural" domain for mankind. We learned (a little bit) about this environment, enough to allow us to use it. And sometimes, it goes wrong. Never laugh at that !!! It should happen to you !
Any crash worldwide qive us a huge impression of sadness, of anguish. For instance, if you look at videos of hard crosswind landings, you could simply laugh against that "idiot" pilot... But if YOU have ever been in that situation, you will understand what this pilot is feeling at this precise moment... and will never laugh at it !
Given the amount of securities and cross-checks, aviation is of course the safest transportation media available. But also the most sensitive to human phantasms, as aerodynamics are far away of "natural" human understandings. Each aviation crash have a negative influence over the whole business.
My purpose here is to pinpoint the fact that all aviaton enthousiast -and we all should be on this site- should normally feel solidary with any worldwide aviation colleague...
Yvo, you've said:
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This is how a Lion Air MD-82 looks like:
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http://www.airliners.net/open.file/642592/L
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This PK-LMN is the plane that crash landed !
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This is how a Lion Air MD-82 looks like:
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http://www.airliners.net/open.file/642592/L
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This PK-LMN is the plane that crash landed !
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Wauw, indeed, I'm also surprised that there were not more casulties. I suppose the most casulties where sitting in the front of the plane. That part lookes more damaged then all the other parts of the airplane.
I always sit in the back of the plane as this is the safest place to sit in. The back is so much reinforced because of the tail that it will brake as last. This is also proven by many engineers. And this accident just showes again that this is a fact.
I always sit in the back of the plane as this is the safest place to sit in. The back is so much reinforced because of the tail that it will brake as last. This is also proven by many engineers. And this accident just showes again that this is a fact.
This a coincidence because at the time I wrote my post I didn't know the registration yet.LX-LGX wrote:Yvo, you've said:
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This is how a Lion Air MD-82 looks like:
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http://www.airliners.net/open.file/642592/L
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This PK-LMN is the plane that crash landed !
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Best Regards,
Yvo
What's in a logo?Solo City Sumarmo, Java, airport code SOC. Adi Sumarmo Airport: 13 km NW from the city, a few km from Katoosuro. Besides Lion, Garuda, Silk Air/Singapore Airlines, Bouraq and Merpati fly there.
Stretching for 1,000km, Java is framed by the Indian Ocean in the south, the Java Sea to the north, Sumatra in the west and Bali to the east. This volcanic, green and ruggedly beautiful island is about the size of England. Solo can be reached by daily domestic flights from Indonesia’s capital, Jakarta, or from Bali. Flights take less than an hour from either place.
In JAN, 2002, A Boeing 737-300 with 60 people on board made an emergency landing on a shallow river on the main island of Java during a heavy rainstorm yesterday. One person, a flight attendant, was killed, when the Garuda Airlines flight came down in the Benjawang Solo River some 300 miles east of Jakarta. The plane was swaying violently as it came down.
In the same month, few days earlier, seven people were injured when a Lion Air passenger jet crash-landed immediately after taking off from an airport near the small town of Pekanbaru, on Sumatra island.
The worst airline accident in Indonesia happened in 1997, when a Garuda Airbus A-300 approaching Medan Airport in north Sumatra crashed into a jungle and exploded while trying to land in thick smoke caused by forest fires. All 234 people aboard were killed.
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I have been following the news on various news channels very closely and bring u the latest on this.
Up to 31 people have been killed and many more injured after a jet carrying 153 passengers and crew crashed on landing in heavy rain in Indonesia's central Java.
Indonesia's Metro TV said 31 were dead and "tens" more hurt.
The accident happened on Tuesday as the McDonnell-Douglas MD-82, operated by budget domestic carrier Lion Air, landed in Solo city from the capital, Jakarta, around dusk.
At least one wing ripped off the plane, which came to rest in a nearby cemetery surrounded by rice fields after skidding off the runway, witnesses said. The fuselage was badly damaged, they added.
"There are many victims that have not been identified. Not all have been evacuated," Andre Iskandar, head of the Solo airport, said.
"It's raining right now. Everyone is trying to help, but it is so chaotic, it looks like a market place."
Ambulances rushed to the scene as armed soldiers cordoned off the area.
Officials said the dead and injured had been taken to five hospitals in the city, which lies in the heart of Indonesia's main island of Java.
Survivors said the accident happened without warning.
"At the time the plane had landed and I was about to unbuckle my seat belt. Suddenly the lights went out and the plane lurched forward and went off the runway," passenger Devi Setiabakti, a government worker, told reporters.
"From what I saw, those who died were at the front of the plane."
Lion Air is a popular local budget carrier, one of many to spring up in Indonesia in recent years.
The plane was carrying 146 passengers and seven crew.
Up to 31 people have been killed and many more injured after a jet carrying 153 passengers and crew crashed on landing in heavy rain in Indonesia's central Java.
Indonesia's Metro TV said 31 were dead and "tens" more hurt.
The accident happened on Tuesday as the McDonnell-Douglas MD-82, operated by budget domestic carrier Lion Air, landed in Solo city from the capital, Jakarta, around dusk.
At least one wing ripped off the plane, which came to rest in a nearby cemetery surrounded by rice fields after skidding off the runway, witnesses said. The fuselage was badly damaged, they added.
"There are many victims that have not been identified. Not all have been evacuated," Andre Iskandar, head of the Solo airport, said.
"It's raining right now. Everyone is trying to help, but it is so chaotic, it looks like a market place."
Ambulances rushed to the scene as armed soldiers cordoned off the area.
Officials said the dead and injured had been taken to five hospitals in the city, which lies in the heart of Indonesia's main island of Java.
Survivors said the accident happened without warning.
"At the time the plane had landed and I was about to unbuckle my seat belt. Suddenly the lights went out and the plane lurched forward and went off the runway," passenger Devi Setiabakti, a government worker, told reporters.
"From what I saw, those who died were at the front of the plane."
Lion Air is a popular local budget carrier, one of many to spring up in Indonesia in recent years.
The plane was carrying 146 passengers and seven crew.
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One thing I know is that the Moon Phase was: Waning Gibbous, 90% of moon illuminated and that the weather data are not available: Click to seesn26567 wrote:Geplaatst door sn26567 op Wednesday, December 01, 2004 @ 9:55 AM
Airdisasters Indonesian investigators say bad weather was probably to blame when an airliner skidded off a runway in Solo, central Java, killing at least 31 people and injuring 75.
The McDonnell-Douglas MD-82, coming from Jakarta and operated by budget domestic carrier Lion Air and carrying some 160 passengers and crew, skidded into a cemetery near Solo airport after landing in heavy rain around dusk on Tuesday.
The wx were pretty much the same as today at about the same hour of the day: 25° and Chance of T-storms.
Repeat chance...
Today it was 32 °C at 1:00 PM WIT@ SOC, Adi Sumarmo Wiryokusumo, Indonesia (SOC WARQ is a Joint civil and military airport.)
Wind WSW at 18 Kmh; Pressure: 1011 hPa
WARQ Runway Dimensions Surface PCN ILS
08/26 8530 x 148 feet
2600 x 45 meters ASPHALT 068FCXT YES
But I think we have a closer look at this:
CAUTION
Bird haz. Afld lctd within WRR-6, a military flight training area.
Civ pattern Sof rwy. Lgtd 544' twr 820' N of rwy 08 thld; unlgtd 448' twr 2,100' S.
CSTMS/AG/IMG Avbl.
OPR HOURS Opr 0000-1130Z.
RSTD Acft wt abv F27 make 180 turns at turning area only.
VOR/DME unuse btw 060-170 byd 10 NM due to proh area.
and
NOTAM: WARQ ADI SUMARMO WIRYOKUSUMO
B0823/04 - AD FIRE FIGHTING CHANGED TO CAT VIII 29 SEP 01:30 UNTIL PERM
B0824/04 - AD OPR HRS ARE 0000/1130 29 SEP 01:30 UNTIL PERM
B0996/04 - ILS LOCALIZER 'ISLO' U/S 111.5 MHZ 30 NOV 11:30 UNTIL 30 DEC 00:00 ESTIMATED
B0998/04 - B) 0411301350 E) AERODROME RESUMED NORMAL OPS
B1005/04 - DEP/ARR ACFT ARE EXPECTED DLA DUE TO VVIP MOVEMENT. 02 DEC 00:25 UNTIL 02 DEC 05:05 DES 02 BTN 0025-0125 AND 0405-0505
If you want to learn about aviation weather, here is a good explanation about METAR
METAR is an aviation routine weather report issued at hourly or half-hourly intervals. It is a description of the meteorological elements observed at an airport at a specific time.
Here is the Hong Kong METAR, I suggest you stay in the English section.
That's where this topic contribution belongs...
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On landing the aircraft skidded off the runway.
The MD-82, PK-LMN C/N: 49189; AGE: >20 y broke in two before coming to rest in a paddy field about 100 m away from the runway.
Casualities: 31 people
No reason given why the aircraft veered off the runway.
Aircraft: destroyed. For Lion Air this the 2nd hull loss of an MD-80 aircraft.
Note: A Bouraq Indonesia Boeing 737-2K2; PK-IJH - C/N: 21397 Aged almost 27y skidded off the runway of Ujung Pandang-Intl AP, Sulawesi, (WAAA), coming to rest on soft ground, on the same day, 30.11.2004 in the afternoon.
Runway 13/31
Dimensions Surface
2500 x 45 meters ASPHALT
The MD-82, PK-LMN C/N: 49189; AGE: >20 y broke in two before coming to rest in a paddy field about 100 m away from the runway.
Casualities: 31 people
No reason given why the aircraft veered off the runway.
Aircraft: destroyed. For Lion Air this the 2nd hull loss of an MD-80 aircraft.
Note: A Bouraq Indonesia Boeing 737-2K2; PK-IJH - C/N: 21397 Aged almost 27y skidded off the runway of Ujung Pandang-Intl AP, Sulawesi, (WAAA), coming to rest on soft ground, on the same day, 30.11.2004 in the afternoon.
Runway 13/31
Dimensions Surface
2500 x 45 meters ASPHALT