SN Brussels Airlines' Loadfactor - part 2

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 18 Nov 2004, 18:21

Thanks for the update OO-VEX.

But I'm surprised by this Loadfactor. When you make the mean value of the last 4 months I come up with an average load of 67.3 % but in the other topic (the one about the quarter result) they say that the average load was 69.1 (if I recall correctly).

There is definately something which isn't right either in this topic or in the other one

Could somebody enlighten us on that point ?

Chris

Flybe · Post by **Flybe** » 18 Nov 2004, 20:31

Chris, since it are quarters, you need to only take the last July until September into calculation for the 3rd quarter, so 3 and not 4 months. Then you get 69,4% as reported in their statement.

Greets,

Pieter

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 18 Nov 2004, 21:23

Flybe wrote:Chris, since it are quarters, you need to only take the last July until September into calculation for the 3rd quarter, so 3 and not 4 months. Then you get 69,4% as reported in their statement.

Oh :dammit

You're totally right of course.
I'm tired today and have already seen too much numbers at university.....

Anyway thanks for putting it straight Pieter

Chris

blackhawk · Post by **blackhawk** » 25 Nov 2004, 00:12

Hi,

the AEA has released today the October loadfactors:

SN Brussels Airlines:
01/2002....35.2............01/2003...49.3 +13.9% .............01/2004....52.9 +3.6%
02.............41.5............02............50.1 +8.6% ............... 02/2004....55.8 +5.7%
03.............44.7............03............51.2 +6.5% ............... 03/2004....56.9 +5.7%
04.............42.7............04............54.2 +11.5% ............. 04/2004....61,3 +7.1%
05.............39.3............05............52.7 +13.4% ............. 05/2004....56,8 +4,1%
06.............47.8............06............57.0 +9.2% ................06/2004....61,0 +4,0%
07.............56.1............07............67.3 +11.3%...............07/2004....71,3 +4,3%
08.............56.0............08............69.6 +13.6%...............08/2004....71,3 +2,0%
09.............53.9............09............61.4 +7.5%.................09/2004....65,6 +4,5%
10.............49.5............10............59.9 +10.4%...............10/2004....60,6 +0,9%
11.............45.1............11............56.8 +11.7%
12.............51.7............12............59.4 +7.7%

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 25 Nov 2004, 12:31

It seems that the growth of October hasn't been that spectacular compared to the ones in the last couple of months.

But let's first of all hope that they will be able to raise the yields and the number of Business passengers in their planes !!

Thanks for updating Blackhawk

Chris

Post by **sn26567** » 29 Nov 2004, 12:13

Avro wrote:It seems that the growth of October hasn't been that spectacular compared to the ones in the last couple of months.

But it is a great achievement for SN to have shown ONLY growth during every single month of its existence.

blackhawk · Post by **blackhawk** » 21 Dec 2004, 21:10

Hi,

the AEA has released today the November loadfactors:

SN Brussels Airlines:
01/2002....35.2............01/2003...49.3 +13.9% .............01/2004....52.9 +3.6%
02.............41.5............02............50.1 +8.6% ............... 02/2004....55.8 +5.7%
03.............44.7............03............51.2 +6.5% ............... 03/2004....56.9 +5.7%
04.............42.7............04............54.2 +11.5% ............. 04/2004....61,3 +7.1%
05.............39.3............05............52.7 +13.4% ............. 05/2004....56,8 +4,1%
06.............47.8............06............57.0 +9.2% ................06/2004....61,0 +4,0%
07.............56.1............07............67.3 +11.3%...............07/2004....71,3 +4,3%
08.............56.0............08............69.6 +13.6%...............08/2004....71,3 +2,0%
09.............53.9............09............61.4 +7.5%.................09/2004....65,6 +4,5%
10.............49.5............10............59.9 +10.4%...............10/2004....60,6 +0,9%
11.............45.1............11............56.3 +11.7%...............11/2004....56,8 +0,3%
12.............51.7............12............59.4 +7.7%

AFApresident · Post by **AFApresident** » 21 Dec 2004, 21:29

What happened in October and November that there is only less then 1% increase in loadfactors compared to last year given the average of about 4% increase in the rest of 2004?

blackhawk · Post by **blackhawk** » 03 Feb 2005, 17:29

Hi,

the AEA has released today the December loadfactors:

SN Brussels Airlines:
01/2002....35.2............01/2003...49.3 +13.9% .............01/2004....52.9 +3.6%
02.............41.5............02............50.1 +8.6% ............... 02/2004....55.8 +5.7%
03.............44.7............03............51.2 +6.5% ............... 03/2004....56.9 +5.7%
04.............42.7............04............54.2 +11.5% ............. 04/2004....61,3 +7.1%
05.............39.3............05............52.7 +13.4% ............. 05/2004....56,8 +4,1%
06.............47.8............06............57.0 +9.2% ................06/2004....61,0 +4,0%
07.............56.1............07............67.3 +11.3%...............07/2004....71,3 +4,3%
08.............56.0............08............69.6 +13.6%...............08/2004....71,3 +2,0%
09.............53.9............09............61.4 +7.5%.................09/2004....65,6 +4,5%
10.............49.5............10............59.9 +10.4%...............10/2004....60,6 +0,9%
11.............45.1............11............56.3 +11.7%...............11/2004....56,8 +0,3%
12.............51.7............12............59.4 +7.7% ................12/2004....61.8 +2.8%

Top 5:
1. KL 79.4%
2. AF 76.5%
3. LH 74.6%
4. LX 73.6%
5. BA 72.7%

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 03 Feb 2005, 19:29

Thanks for keeping the facts updated Blackhawk.

It's nice to see that SN was able to imrove a little bit compared to last year.

Let's hope they'll be able to increase in the same way during 2005.

CHris

blackhawk · Post by **blackhawk** » 01 Mar 2005, 18:51

Hi,

the AEA has released today the January loadfactors:

SN Brussels Airlines:
01/2002....35.2............01/2003...49.3 +13.9% .............01/2004....52.9 +3.6%.............01/2005....59.3 +6.4%
02.............41.5............02............50.1 +8.6% ............... 02/2004....55.8 +5.7%
03.............44.7............03............51.2 +6.5% ............... 03/2004....56.9 +5.7%
04.............42.7............04............54.2 +11.5% ............. 04/2004....61,3 +7.1%
05.............39.3............05............52.7 +13.4% ............. 05/2004....56,8 +4,1%
06.............47.8............06............57.0 +9.2% ................06/2004....61,0 +4,0%
07.............56.1............07............67.3 +11.3%...............07/2004....71,3 +4,3%
08.............56.0............08............69.6 +13.6%...............08/2004....71,3 +2,0%
09.............53.9............09............61.4 +7.5%.................09/2004....65,6 +4,5%
10.............49.5............10............59.9 +10.4%...............10/2004....60,6 +0,9%
11.............45.1............11............56.3 +11.7%...............11/2004....56,8 +0,3%
12.............51.7............12............59.4 +7.7% ................12/2004....61.8 +2.8%

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 01 Mar 2005, 20:11

That's again a nice achievement. But how did the occupancy in C class progress ? Does anybody know that ?

Chris

tolipanebas · Post by **tolipanebas** » 01 Mar 2005, 21:01

Good to see SN flirt with the 60% mark during the weakest month of the year, that gives a very promissing outlook for the rest of the year.
Maybe SN will finally have normal industry-wide loadfactors for their European flights this year.

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 01 Mar 2005, 21:09

tolipanebas wrote: Maybe SN will finally have normal industry-wide loadfactors for their European flights this year.

Maybe, but how are the yields doing ? That's the question.

I'm quite confident that SN will be able to improve their loads again every month this year. But for the moment they have a serious problem with their C class. Most of the time it's nearly empty..... While those are the seats which should be full because they bring a lot of money.

I know that many business men don't fly C anymore in Europe but the other airlines in Europe still manage to get a better filled C class than SN does. Is their service so bad in C ? or aren't they able to convince the business men to fly SN ?

Chris

tolipanebas · Post by **tolipanebas** » 01 Mar 2005, 21:31

As you say yourself, C-class is pritty much finished in Europe anyhow within the next decade as more and more businesses change towards a policy of having their staff travel in Y-class only for flights up to 4 hrs or so, but I know the management of SN is still insisting on increasing their C-class loads for as long as there is this viable market to get the high yield and better revenues associated with it, so it would indeed be interesting to see how they are doing...
I've heard SN is even loosing market share on this front?
As for the reasons why, we can only speculate, but it is a fact the only airlines still gaining market share in this shrinking market segment are the really big ones like LH, BA, AF etc. so the reasons might be the lack/low quality of lounges (outside of BRU), the rather limited portfolio of destinations of SN, the fact they do not belong to an alliance and so on...

Post by **sn26567** » 01 Mar 2005, 21:52

Only LH are still capable of filling their C-class on BRU-FRA. No surprise here: the difference for a day return trip between Y (€699) and C (€719) is so small that an upgrade is offered by most companies to their employees. But only a monopoly can do that!

DannyVDB · Post by **DannyVDB** » 02 Mar 2005, 22:06

One remark on the higher LF:

They offered a lower number of seats (did they not refurbish some of their AVRO's and A333 as well?)
Number of pax remained the same !

Danny

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 02 Mar 2005, 22:08

NO Avro's have been refurbished.

And yes one A333 has been refurbished during that time I think.

Chris

DannyVDB · Post by **DannyVDB** » 02 Mar 2005, 22:12

Something on the business class occupancy of SNBA

In February I went to Rome on a SNBA flight. On the BRU-FCO track I was in business with 4 other people (5/25 seats business). When coming back we were 18/25 in business. So I think on some routes there is good C-class coverage ...

One of the reasons that other larger airlines have more C-class pax is that they sometimes only offer that. I had to take a flight in 2003 between Berlin and Munich. I was in the airport without a ticket (pls had changed)and buying a ticket from Germania (99 EUR) was impossible. Buying from LH was possible, but only C-class for 250 EUR ...

lumumba · Post by **lumumba** » 02 Mar 2005, 22:17

Hi Avro I d'ont think that they did there refurbushing because the seats on the 3 A330 didn't change.
Regards
Pat