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athos
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Charter flights and compensation

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As I have seen HXL flight to Punta Cana is delayed with 4.30h and last week HXL flight to Phuket with 2h, I wondered if people can claim something from HXL when departing much too late. ( nothing to do with weather conditions)

I have the impression HXL only has one plane to take you to all destinations they go to. So one delay means many more delays.

I got a strange answer from the travel agent. This as a side note: "You will fly A320, Boeing tomorrow :-)" I thought it should be Boeing 767-300.

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Re: Charter flights and compensation

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athos wrote: I wondered if people can claim something from HXL when departing much too late. ( nothing to do with weather conditions)

Roughly one quarter of a million air passengers each year get a bad surprise at EU airports when checking-in for their flight. Until recently, were excluded non-scheduled flights, a large part of the market. The new regulation covers both scheduled and non-scheduled flights (including air transport sold as part of a package holiday)
Any aircraft operator having its aircraft touching EU ground, (... and I hope its only EU tarmacs!) is submitted to the same regulations.
An EU law guaranteeing big payouts for passengers left stranded by airlines has been voted in despite opposition from budget airlines.

The new rules roughly doubled the level of compensation.
Denied boarding = 250 Euros, rising in stages to 600 Euros for long-haul flights.

Compensations date from October 2002: MEPs have called for compulsory compensation of EUR125 for problems on shorthaul flights and EUR375 for disrupted flights longer than 3,500 kilometers, to delayed or stranded passengers, under a new draft law passed 24 October 2002.

Loyola de Palacio, European Commission vice-president in charge of transport and energy, welcomed the definitive adoption by the Council and the European Parliament of the proposal of regulation to protect the rights of air passengers when facing denied boarding, cancellation of their flight or a long delay.

Also, the new regulation applies not only to passengers departing from an airport located in a Member State but also, if the airline operating the flight is a Community carrier, to passengers flying from a third country to a Member State*, unless they receive similar treatment in the third country.

When airlines reasonably expect a long delay, they will be obliged to give passengers:
- meals and refreshments, and
- hotel accommodation, when a delay obliges a passenger to stay overnight, and
- reimbursement, when a delay delays a passenger for at least five hours.

Regulation on Denied Boarding and Cancellations or Long Delays

---------------------OLD-------- NEW Regulation
Denied boarding:
0 => 1499km------------------- 250 € Reimbursement or rerouting included Meals and Hotel
1500-3500km------------------ 400 € Reimbursement or rerouting included Meals and Hotel
≤ 3500km--------- 150 €-------------- Reimbursement or rerouting included Meals and Hotel
> 3500km--------- 300 €------ 600 € Reimbursement or rerouting included Meals and Hotel
Cancellation
----------------------------------- roughly as denied boarding (1)(2)
Long Delays(3)
----------------------------------- roughly as denied boarding (1)


(1)Unless carrier can prove that it is not responsible.
(2)Unless carrier informs passenger of cancellation two weeks or more before departure or offers alternative flight that does not delay passenger more than 2 or 4 hours.
(3)Two, three or four hours depending on distance flight.

LET THEM PAY!

* So passengers out of Punta Cana or Phuket on that Community Carrier are also entitled to the similar treatment.


=A rather stupid opinion about this matter can be found here, clicking this line
But I wouldn't click it as you'll loose your time reading it! :wink:

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Post by SN30952 »

And
"You will fly A320, Boeing tomorrow"
Was it an A320, Boeing ?

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Post by athos »

Fons,

Thanks for your information.
The A320 Boeing is what the guy from the travel agency told me. I replied such an aircraft doesn't exist :-)
As far as I know we fly a B767-300 today and hopefully on time :-)
If you have to wait at Brussels airport there’s not that much traffic to look at.
Only passing your time drinking expensive coffee or beer.

Regards,

Athos

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athos wrote:As far as I know we fly a B767-300 today and hopefully on time :-)
Of course! HXL821 to Goa and Phuket is a B767-300ER.

And the compensation applies only from 1 Jan 2005.
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Post by SubZero »

hi,

last sunday I was on flight HXL 871 from VRA/CUN
the flight was supposed to land on saturday at 10.45 AM
but we only landed sunday at 06.00 PM

I came from VRA so we had to stop over @ CUN to pick up pax.
nu prob on the VRA - CUN flight (only 1h of delay) but when we landed @ CUN the plane broke down (probs with landing gear)

we had to go in transit and the didn't inform us of the probs until 5h later.
(btw: it was friggin cold in the airport !!! ) we did get a meal coupon of 10€
after all the waiting the crew couldn't fly anymore so they took us to a hotel (moon palace) the hotel was really good, 5* and all in.

the day after they told us we would leave at 10.00 PM
when we got to the airport we saw that the plane was delayed (again) for 1.5h

finally we took off. just after take off the pilot informed us over the intercom that someone from the groundcrew had forgotten to pull out a pin (yes those with a huge red ribbon attached to it that says 'REMOVE BEFORE FLIGHT) and we couldn't retract the nosegear so we had to fly around above the gulf of mexico for an other hour to dump 20 tons of fuel.

we landed again @ CUN and the plane had to be refuled, the flightplans had to be sent in again so we ware stuck in the plane for 3h.
after that we finally took off to BRU!


do you think I could get some $$$$ back?

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SubZero wrote:do you think I could get some $$$$ back?
You had a full day of additional vacation in a 5* hotel in Cancun, all costs paid, and you want a compensation? :lol:

Seriously speaking,
1) You gave me the explanation why HXL was so much delayed
2) I would be surprised if you got a refund: the new rules will apply for charters only in 2005.
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Post by SubZero »

well, I don't really mind that I won't get a compenstaion.
as you said, I did get an extra day in mexico and in one of the best and most beautiful hotels I'v ever stayed at!

and I had my first fuel-dumping-flight :wink: :lol:

thing is in reallity it wasn't so funny!
we took off but instead of climbing we kept our altitude and sometimes we even went down. the plane also started shaking a lot and you could here the power of the engines going up and down over and over again.
a lot of pax ware scared and when we landed in CUN some even wanted to get off the plane.

I thought it was like walibi :twisted:

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SubZero wrote:well,I had my first fuel-dumping-flight :wink: :lol:
thing is in reallity it wasn't so funny! ...to dump 20 tons of fuel.
we took off but instead of climbing we kept our altitude and sometimes we even went down. the plane also started shaking a lot and you could here the power of the engines going up and down over and over again.
a lot of pax ware scared and when we landed in CUN some even wanted to get off the plane.
I thought it was like walibi :twisted:
Reality is always better then fiction...
You were lucky the wx was not too bad, because dumping fuel in heavy wind is nice too... First the plane starts shaking, then it's you shaking...

PS Low altitude is a matter of temperature and pressure.
Why 20T? The a/c has a MTOW but also a Max landing weight.

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