DHL expansion?

[sn26567]

Also, this was a good one, she said the airport has been built at the wrong place !!!

This is the truth. When the Germans wanted to replace Haren airport during WW II, they have been looking in the open fields around Brussels, and they were recommended Melsboek by locals (who had been hiding the fact that there was a lot of fog on that area).

In 1945, it was difficult to predict that the city and its suburbs would extend to near the airport.

[SN30952]

To complain about a problem you decided to live just next to seems to be a very effective way to get attention (and sometimes money), which is what these poor souls lack so much. I can't wait to see hundreds of thousands of people complaining about the noise of trains and train stations at night.

Wait until Luchtzak receives complaints for making too much 'noise'! 8O
And to Andre, nobody invited the Germans then, who invited these people who complain now to come and live under the airport. Where are they coming from? Invaders go home!

[Flybe]

In 1945, it was difficult to predict that the city and its suburbs would extend to near the airport.

I guess that in time, cities always expand in the direction of areas that provide work, such as an airport. And if they had built the airport further away, it wouldn't have had such an attraction, i guess. People want everything nearby, but they don't want the disadvantages of it...

Greets from Poland,

Pieter

[sn26567]

It seems that DHL have made up their minds. They will neverget the 34,000 night flights they want in Brussels, so they abandon the idea of having a major hub at BRU, chosing instead to have two medium-sized hubs: BRU and LEJ. They will not drop BRU because it is too close to their main customers.

[pilatus]

And because in Leipzig they are already starting with complaints about the future noise. It is I think the best that we can operate with 2 big Hubs + the present sub-hubs. Lets hope, because till the final decission we know nothing for sure.

Greetz,

[killerwhale65]

does somebody know about wich AC's they are talking when they say not to count the less noisy planes anymore in the number of nightflights?

[killerwhale65]

apparently there is a problem now about MD-11's.
I thought an MD-11 was a rather new plane and thus not that noisy? Why is it noisy? Compared to what? Secondly i'm not aware of MD-11's used by DHL? Or do they mean when they expand?

Decission again posponed -- DHL will NOT decide next friday about the hub.

[Fiero]

I think they are referring to the MD's from Gemini. And the arn't that noisy but for those people complaining the only silent plane is a glider

[Avro]

Lets hope, because till the final decission we know nothing for sure.

I'm corssing my fingers !!!

Secondly i'm not aware of MD-11's used by DHL?

They are probably talking about the DC10's and MD11's that from World and Gemini.

But now I heard something about 16 "very loud" flights per night which should be banned. regarding the number I suppose they are talking about the A300B4-203F's. ?? If my memory is correct they are operating currently 13 A300's.

Greetz
Chris

[pilatus]

DHL indeed has no MD11 nor DC10. They are talking about the wet leased aircrafts of World and probably the DC8 of DHL Airways US. The MD11 is only coming one's a day and in the weekend even during the day. The DC8 is also not coming during the night as for as I can remember but I will check this tomorrow at work. We have indeed 13 A300B4 but only about 7 to 8 of them fly every night in and out of Bru. The rest is flying between the sub hubs and end stations or 1 or 2 are stby in Bru. Nevertheles they will be replaced the coming years. Lets hope that it will work out and they find a solution because this will also give more pilot jobs in the future.

Greetz,

[Bruspotter]

Hi all spotters!

I have heard several times on the television,that DHL should
retire it's MD-11's, my first tought with that was,...but....
DHL has no MD-11's?!

BUt!!! I have checked the Brucargo timetable several times,
and you can't find any DHL scedules in it.

DHL will probebly lease those planes,or they will be operated
by another airline.

I also could see that there were no Gemini air Cargo,and
World Air Cargo flight's indicated,just as with DHL.

Could it be that that's my missing link, that they operate
for DHL,and that that's the reason why i can't find them in
the Timetable? DHL would like to operate 4 nightfligts on
1 day with a MD-11F??? That's quite a lot, if that are
all World Air Cargo/Gemini Cargo MD-11's,...WOW!!!
And i thought they where rare at BRU(especially the
Gemini Cargo, maybe cause they fly at night?)

Can someone confirm this?


Thanks,and regards: Yannick

[pilatus]

Bruspotter, please read my reply I posted 2 minutes before yours. This will be the answer I think. I'll try to look up the schedule and flightnumbers tomorrow if I have the time. They fly mostly to the states. Another MD11 (or B747) of LH is also operating for DHL out of Cgn to Bah and then further to the East (Singapore etc).

Greetz,

[ILS25L]

Goodevening,
Pilatus, it seems you know a lot about DHL. Could it be possible you are working for them ?
Anyway, if tonight they talked about 16 "noisy" nightflights (according to their business-plan) instead of 4, I suppose Deutsche Post is thinking about intensifying their deal they made with the freight-alliance WOW (LH, JAL, SQ, etc.). As Lufthansa Cargo mainly operates with MD-11's, Deutsche Post insists on having those extra flights to perform long-haul flights out of EBBR.
Just my idea.
Greetz, Karl

[Avro]

Weren't they talking about 16 "noisy" flights that are currently operating out of BRu each night ?

[Fiero]

Check out this link:
http://users.pandora.be/noordrand/Daeda ... 082004.htm

Found it only in dutch

[pilatus]

For the spotters I have the timings of the MD11 and DC8:

MD11

Days 2 3 4 5 Bru-Jfk dep@01.30z
Days 2 3 4 5 Jfk-Bru arr@20.40z

DC8

Days 3 5 7 Bru-Jfk dep@14.00z
Days 2 4 6 Jfk-Bru arr@02.35z

Days 2 4 6 Bru-Bah dep@04.20z
Days 3 5 7 Bah-Bru arr@03.40z

As you see you have to be early to see them

PS Timings are in Zulu.

If you ask me they are talking about the A300 indeed. I just don't believe that they are doing that dificult about the aircrafts. We just replaced the B727's with the B757. The A300 will be replaced also but they just think that it is that easy. For the Belgium guys: In the HUMO is an very good interview with Dewael concerning the DHL problems.

Greetz,

[concordino]

"Zulu" - another one for the jargon buster?

[pilatus]

"Zulu" - another one for the jargon buster?

Heu, sorry indeed, we always talk about Zulu. It is easier then talking about GMT. And further days 1 2 3 4... are 1= Monday, 2=Tuesday etc.

Greetz,

[LX-LGX]

In many replies, I've read that DHL (or EAT) doesn't have MD-11's. Could be there is no one positioned in BRU, but they do have them in their fleet:

http://www.airnautic.ch/html/dhl.html

their source seems to be http://acg.dhl.com/newgfsbe/index.asp
(click Network info, then Fleet info)

By the way: congrat's to Luc Vandenbossche, CEO of BIAC: he is the first Belgian politician to use the correct word "MD-eleven". It was indeed quite funny last days: most of the Flemish politikasters say "Em Dé elf". Wonder if the MD-11 is a "Em Dé onze" for the French speaking politiciens.

[killerwhale65]

hi, as i understood, they are indeed talking about MD-11's, but about future flights, not about current flights. So not about the A300, cause if you hear 1 newsbullitin these times, you will hear "MD Eleven" at least 5 times.

So DHL wants to expand to 16 (14) MD11 flights per night, governments only want 4. Big problem!
However DHL states that the number of 16 was knows from the beginning, governments claims not to have known ("ich habe es nicht gewust" where did we hear this before ??). Question is who is lying here?

Secondly, is an MD-11 that noisy? And if it is, what plane can it be replaced with (same capacity and performance but less noisy)?