SNBA A330 returnes to BRU due to engine troubles

Skystef · Post by **Skystef** » 09 Aug 2003, 17:13

According my info this should be OO-SFM with etd 1020 to NBO & KGL on August 9.
A spottingsreport for confirmation would be welcome.

SkyStef 8)

liebensd · Post by **liebensd** » 09 Aug 2003, 17:24

On the 13H00 news on VRT radio was told that it was the flight to Youandé that returned to Brussels.

Greetz,

Dave

Skystef · Post by **Skystef** » 09 Aug 2003, 17:29

liebensd wrote:On the 13H00 news on VRT radio was told that it was the flight to Youandé that returned to Brussels.

The same VRT radio told @ 1700 it was the NBO/KGL flight.

Rgrds SkyStef 8)

liebensd · Post by **liebensd** » 09 Aug 2003, 17:34

Isn’t that the second time that a A330 of SNBA haves engine problems? Was not the other time a problem in Africa and that they transported an engine from Ostend to there with an An22?

Greetz,

Dave

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 09 Aug 2003, 18:35

You're right Dave.

And OO-SFM also had an engine problem (failure) short after takeoff back in 2000 I think.

It seems that those A330-300 have many engine problems, or is this just a coincidence

Ciao

Chris

liebensd · Post by **liebensd** » 09 Aug 2003, 18:43

Or are these problems caused by the weather and runway conditions in Africa? There is also something special with the SNBA flights there are always two departures on one flight.

Greetz,

Dave

thomascookie · Post by **thomascookie** » 09 Aug 2003, 18:47

Wich is the best day in the week to photograph these A330's? ( in landing)

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 09 Aug 2003, 19:14

There is no particular day. The come in all three early (too early) in the morning and this every day.

Ciao
Chris

thomascookie · Post by **thomascookie** » 09 Aug 2003, 20:11

yes but have they every day the same hours or not?does they change them for different flights e.g.does the OO-SFM fly always the BRU-NBO route or does the other A330's fly them sometimes too?
So there is a daily A330 at 7u45?

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 09 Aug 2003, 21:36

@ thomascookie,

I think the best think to do ist to look on biac's site the evening before you would like to spot them. As for the regs. I don't think that the aircrafts fly always the same destinations.

@ Dave,

liebensd wrote:Or are these problems caused by the weather and runway conditions in Africa? There is also something special with the SNBA flights there are always two departures on one flight.

The heat could maybe be a factor, because the planes are fully loaded and need longer to takeoff, because the engine perfs are less with high temps.

Why are there two departures on one flight

I don't really understand your question. Do you mean the code share agreement with AA

Ciao
Chris
8)

FlySN · Post by **FlySN** » 09 Aug 2003, 21:38

Does anyone have any specific details about what kind of engine troubles the "Fox Merde" had today?

@thomascookie, I think they use all three aircraft for all routes. I know the OO-SFN returned this morning from NBO. Don't know if they leave every day at the same hour, but that would make sense.

Greets,
S-Tail 204

liebensd · Post by **liebensd** » 09 Aug 2003, 22:39

@Avro

Why are there two departures on one flight I don't really understand your question

Every SNBA flight to Africa is to two destinations like Kigali AND Nairobi.

Can the dust and the bad conditions of the runways I think so) be factor that reduces the life time of an engine?

On the VTM news, they told that the pilot heard a strange noise on one of the engines and that he retuned to Brussels, the engine need to be replaced. They also told that there would be a replacement aircraft, has anyone an idea of witch aircraft that could be or will SNBA solve the problem of the stranded passengers with their own aircrafts? The aircraft will be repaired by tomorrow morning because, at this time, there are 3 flights to Africa of SNBA, I do not know of it are the 3 regular flights or if there are made some changes. There is one cancellation of the 463 to Kigali but this one is replaced with the 1463 to Nairobi and Kigali, the 473 to Entebbe is also canceled.

Greetz,

Dave

L-1011 · Post by **L-1011** » 09 Aug 2003, 22:47

Well FlySN this seems like a very nice nickname for this plane. Is it realy that bad? Or just bad luck?

@liebensd

The problem when you only have 3 aircraft and fly three flights a day (well not always but...) is that in case of trouble you're in deep

trouble.

Do they have escape plans ready for such situations? Perhaps Barrt knows.
I'm sure he'll be able to tell us more when he returns from Toulouse (:jealous:)

fftopic:

See ya,
Tristar

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 09 Aug 2003, 22:52

As a replacement they could maybe use a B767 from Sobelair, but I don't think so because it's the summer season and Sobelair needs those planes.

liebensd wrote:There is one cancellation of the 463 to Kigali but this one is replaced with the 1463 to Nairobi and Kigali, the 473 to Entebbe is also canceled

The 1463 is a charter flight. It's maybe because of todays events. They'll maybe fly to Nairobi and Kigali instead of flying to Nairobe and Entebbe.

Ciao
Chris

OO-VEX · Post by **OO-VEX** » 09 Aug 2003, 23:32

Tomorrow SN Brussels will also delay SN 203 and AA 7447 to Dakar - Banjul.
ETD is 20:00 instead 12:25
The biac site didn't mention Banjul as a SN destination, but it was still an AA destination. So could this be an error on the biac site or will SN only fly to Dakar and cancel Banjul to arrive early at BRU the day after to be back on schedule, otherwise it will take them a few days to cope with the delays.
What will hapen with the passengers for Entebbe? Do they have to wait 24h for the next flight or will SN Brussels give them a seat to Nairobi where they could take a connecting flight of Kenya Airways to EBB?

OO-VEX

Post by **sn26567** » 10 Aug 2003, 10:10

Avro wrote:The 1463 is a charter flight.

The 1463 is NOT a charter. Because of heavy traffic in summer, SN BA has introduced a few additional flights to Africa whose number start with 1 and ends with the number of a similar regular flight.

SN1463 will fly again on 14 and 28 Aug and it is mentioned in the OAG.

Post by **sn26567** » 10 Aug 2003, 10:12

What will hapen with the passengers for Entebbe? Do they have to wait 24h for the next flight or will SN Brussels give them a seat to Nairobi where they could take a connecting flight of Kenya Airways to EBB?

You should not believe that SN BA will trasport them to their deatination at a later date. In such cases, SN BA re-books them on other airlines.

The problem with Entebbe is that the only other airline that serves it from Europe is BA from LHR. So, the pax may have been re-routed through LHR and have flown a B767 instead of an A330. And they will even have collected their FF Privilege miles.

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 10 Aug 2003, 11:24

sn26567 wrote:The 1463 is NOT a charter. Because of heavy traffic in summer, SN BA has introduced a few additional flights to Africa whose number start with 1 and ends with the number of a similar regular flight.

Sorry for the mistake.

demol wrote:4V had an operational profit of 791000 € and a net profit of only 166000 € 8O Some may call that profitable, but in aviation I would rather call that kind of result barely break-even.

I agree with you demol. I would have expected more profit since those flights have a very good loadfactor 8O But if they'll start new operations in Africa they'll definately will need a 4th aircraft.

Otherwise I don't know how they'll schedule all the flights

Greetz
Chris
8)

Sabena_690 · Post by **Sabena_690** » 10 Aug 2003, 12:58

What is the load factor?

I remember that, a few months ago, the load factor was around 60-65% (which isn't that good IMO, unless the yields are very good).

Regards
Frederic