DHL expansion?

eurojet · Post by **eurojet** » 22 Sep 2004, 14:30

Hi Killerwhale,

I don't complain about where I live (it is still bearable, at least between 24.00 amd 06.00 it is quiet), and I knew it when I started to live here.
I can put myself in the shoes of those who complain, though. I don't take your argument about those people who decided themselves to live there, that is a bit of a short-sighted argument ... Anyhow, the whole dicussion has nothing to do any longer with noise or whatever else, just political profiling of the lowest kind from all sides, and I am glad it is all a bit "ver-van-mijn-bed"-show.

stroman · Post by **stroman** » 22 Sep 2004, 14:52

eurojet wrote:Hi Killerwhale,
Anyhow, the whole dicussion has nothing to do any longer with noise or whatever else, just political profiling of the lowest kind from all sides, and I am glad it is all a bit "ver-van-mijn-bed"-show.

Hi eurojet,

the name 's stroman

And on this one, I do agree with you!

Anyway, let me know if your Luxembourg flat comes available, cause I love those Cargolux 747's 8O

grtz,

stroman

SN30952 · Post by **SN30952** » 22 Sep 2004, 15:02

eurojet wrote: If me, arm chair expert, were to decide, I would move the entire cargo business to Beauvechain: close enough to Brussels en highways, only country-side around, close enough to linguistic border to everyone's welcome to work there

Yes, make it Bevekom - Beauvechain Federal. EBBE
In the elections Ecolo got 2 seats in 17 and EC has a comfortable majority. Eurojet you are a genius!

Only 6.293 inhabitants.
Since Luchtzak is read in political salons, here is the political situation.

Elections communales Beauvechain // Gemeenteraadsverkiezingen Bevekom 8/10/2000

électeurs inscrits / ingeschreven kiezers 4577
bulletins déposés / neergelegde stemmen 4298 93,9%
bulletins valables / geldige stemmen 4098 95,3%
blancs/nuls / blanco/ongeldig 200 4,7%
nombre de sièges / aantal zetels 17

parti / partij votes / stemmen % sièges / zetels
EC 2790 68,1% 13
RRC 728 17,8% 2
ECOLO 580 14,2% 2
ZIP Placename X NIS Municipality (in Dutch) INS Municipality (in French)
1320 BEAUVECHAIN 25005 BEVEKOM 25005 BEAUVECHAIN
1320 HAMME-MILLE 25005 BEVEKOM 25005 BEAUVECHAIN
1320 L'ECLUSE 25005 BEVEKOM 25005 BEAUVECHAIN
1320 NODEBAIS 25005 BEVEKOM 25005 BEAUVECHAIN
1320 TOURINNES-LA-GROSSE 25005 BEVEKOM 25005 BEAUVECHAIN

PS
Beauvechain - Bevekom is (was) known for its many darts clubs!
PS2
And we will have more nice translations

themole · Post by **themole** » 22 Sep 2004, 15:53

It will be: Brussels or Leipzig or Brussels and Leipzig, end of story.

Post by **sn26567** » 22 Sep 2004, 17:19

themole wrote:It will be: Brussels or Leipzig or Brussels and Leipzig, end of story.

That's what most of us already suspected. Vatry is a nice diversion (or shoud we say dispersion?). But at how much do you estimate the chances of BRU and/or LEJ in the current Belgian political situation?

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 23 Sep 2004, 11:04

I would like to reply on Jense's comment in the following topic: https://www.aviation24.be/postt6383.html

In government they talk about B777 or MD-11
Those are way too big and way too noisy for flight @ night

First of all, if I heard it well on TV they were talking about a fleet renewal which could be done in 2 years from now on.
The B777 doesn't exist as cargo plane yet and the MD11F isn't a replacement for the A300 fleet at all. (I suppose that it's the A300 fleet which needs to go ? )

I suppose that the best replacement aircraft which can be aquired quite quickly is the A300-600F. But is its cargo hold size comparable to the one of the A300-200's ??

Chris

pilatus · Post by **pilatus** » 23 Sep 2004, 11:59

As for as I know the A300-600 is even better.

Post by **airbuske** » 23 Sep 2004, 16:22

This is wat I received by mail: Verhofstadt starts his own nightflights.

It don't have to be always serious

Greetings

Airbuske

Post by **sn26567** » 23 Sep 2004, 17:08

That's a very good one, Airbuske!

Post by **sn26567** » 24 Sep 2004, 09:16

For those of you who read French, read here how the French are laughing at the latest "Belgian joke": http://www3.webzinemaker.net/tourmag/in ... icle=76685

In brief, the Belgian Government wants to send charter companies out of BRU to make room for DHL...

blackhawk · Post by **blackhawk** » 24 Sep 2004, 11:22

Now it seems the unions of DHL wants to block the airport for 1 hour (according to the VRT radio news), they are trying to convince employees of other companies at the airport.

De vakbondsafgevaardigden en werknemers van DHL gaan de vakbonden en het personeel van alle andere bedrijven op de luchthaven van Zaventem vragen om vandaag tenminste één uur te staken. Dat heeft Hendrik Vermeersch (BBTK) gezegd na een gesprek met de top van cdH.

Iets na 10 uur kwamen de vakbonden en enkele personeelsleden van DHL buiten na een onderhoud met cdH-voorzitster Joëlle Milquet en minister van economie van de Brusselse regering Benoit Cerexhe. "We hebben hen gezegd dat er vandaag een akkoord moet komen en dat de cdH toegevingen moet doen", vertelde vakbondsafgevaardigde Vermeersch achteraf. "Onze actie van vandaag zal de doorslag geven en er zal vandaag nog een akkoord komen. Maar we moeten wel druk blijven uitoefenen", voegde hij eraan toe. De vakbonden doen een oproep naar de collega's in de bedrijven die op de luchthaven van Zaventem gevestigd zijn om vandaag voor minstens één uur het werk neer te leggen. De vakbonden kwamen net op tijd weer naar buiten uit het cdH- hoofdkwartier. Buiten waren de gemoederen van de ongeveer 200 DHL-werknemers danig aan het verhitten. Ze bekogelden het gebouw met bommetjes, tomaten, eieren en bloem. De toestand dreigde even te ontsporen toen een DHL-werknemer met een bebloed gezicht verscheen. Hij had een wonde aan de wenkbrauw opgelopen toen hij naar eigen zeggen een mep had gekregen van een security-agent.

killerwhale65 · Post by **killerwhale65** » 24 Sep 2004, 13:04

well i think they really should do that, cause appearently nothing is gonna come from the governments, who showed themselves unable to run a country! I see no other way then a strike. I normally am against strikes (remember Sabena...), but in this case ....

Post by **sn26567** » 24 Sep 2004, 13:14

OK blackhawk and killerwhale! Let's keep this thread only about the future of DHL, and for strike matters please follow this link: https://www.aviation24.be/postlite6405-.html

Post by **airbuske** » 25 Sep 2004, 11:44

Zaventem will not become the european hub

Sorry guys only in dutch

Zaventem wordt geen Europees knooppunt DHL

(Belga)

BRUSSEL 25/09 (BELGA) = Zaventem kan nooit de Europese draaischijf van DHL worden. Daarvoor blijft het bedrijf 34.000 nachtvluchten op Zaventem vragen. "Als we die niet krijgen, kan Brussel geen main hub worden", aldus Kruse, directeur Europese expressdiensten van DHL. Dat schrijft De Tijd zaterdag. DHL is evenwel niet van plan Zaventem te verlaten. Kruse zei dit vrijdag bij de opening van het Europees IT-centrum van DHL in Praag. Dat Zaventem niet de Europese draaischijf van DHL wordt, betekent niet dat het bedrijf vertrekt. "DHL blijft in Brussel", aldus Kruse. Als het bedrijf minder dan 34.000 nachtvluchten krijgt, kan Zaventem de status van regionaal knooppunt behouden. Als het toegestane aantal nachtvluchten zelfs daarvoor ontoereikend is, kan de luchthaven degraderen tot loutere toegangspoort voor de Beneluxmarkt

Little translation:

Brussels will not become the european hub

Brussels can never become the european hub! For becoming the european hub is DHL asking 34.000 nightflights. If they don't get those 34.00 nightflights Brussels will not become the main hub. DHL will not leave Brussels.If they get less than 34.000 flights DHL will become the regional hub. If the capacity is not enough for a regional hub , the airport will become an entrance for the Beneluxmarket

Greetings

Airbuske

TCAS_climb · Post by **TCAS_climb** » 25 Sep 2004, 12:55

...and that, my friends, is the end of EAT as we know it...

Unless of course somebody proves me that the Benelux market is big enough to justify the current fleet. Please tell me I'm wrong !!!!

killerwhale65 · Post by **killerwhale65** » 25 Sep 2004, 13:29

well, the benelux scenario is the shrink scenario, so of course the fleet will also shrink.

However the western europe scenario is still alive and this will be an expanding also.

Post by **sn26567** » 25 Sep 2004, 14:35

Don't be overpessimistic, guys. DHL needs a location in the centre of its main business area in Europe, the LON/PAR/FRA/AMS rectangle. If they move to LEJ the flights to all their main destinations will be much longer, thus higher costs.

To me, the most likely scenario (if the too many Belgian federal and local governments allow) is that DHL will keep its main hub in Brussels, with a secondary hub in LEJ for the developping Central and Eastern European market.

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 25 Sep 2004, 16:00

If they stay in BRU with the so called "regional" hub they will still need EAT. The only question is if EAT can stay that big (I hope so).
Not all planes have the belgian registration, a big part of the B757's are registered in the UK by DHL Air and not by EAT (correct me if I'm wrong).

So if DHL opens its big hub in LEJ, the G registered B757's will most likely go but the belgian planes will stay I presume.

Further more if they want to grow up to 34000 night flights they will probably need a bigger fleet. They can put the older A300's in LEJ (were the restrictions aren't that high) and lease a few more A300-600's for BRU.

Don't shoot me if I'm wrong

Greetz
Chris

blackhawk · Post by **blackhawk** » 26 Sep 2004, 11:49

At the moment , I'm following "De zevende dag", it was about DHL, nightflights, unemployment in Brussels and the belgian federal system.
There was also a woman against DHL and the nightflights;. She said that DHL wants > 30.000 nightflights in BRU to create their superhub over here *zucht* . It seems they only read the words they want to read. Also, this was a good one, she said the airport has been built at the wrong place !!!

TCAS_climb · Post by **TCAS_climb** » 26 Sep 2004, 12:02

To complain about a problem you decided to live just next to seems to be a very effective way to get attention (and sometimes money), which is what these poor souls lack so much. I can't wait to see hundreds of thousands of people complaining about the noise of trains and train stations at night.

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DHL expansion?

Only 6.293 inhabitants in and around future BBF?

Just my 2 cents.

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