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ThomasCook wrote:Dear,

Plse be better informed i.s.o. talking about stage II and noice limitations.

This has nothing to do with it !!

Plse watch or follow the news on VRT or even VTM to know what they say about the real reasons of being grounded in BRU.

Due to Lithuan unpaid bills, etc...

(landing fees,....)

yuw
In my first post I wrote already:"There are some other reasons also but I can't say anything about it, sorry."

Around an hour before the aircraft landed I got a telephone from my chief, he told me that this aircraft was not allowed to depart again due to noise regulations. That was at that time the first and only reason I heard. After a few hours the second reason I've heard was that the aircraft was impounded by the BCAA.

At that moment I wasn't allowed to say anything about it because knowbody knew it.

So, if I misleaded someone with my "wrong" information, I'm sorry!!!!

PS: sorry that I didn't react earlier but I was in Germany for the WRC.

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Dear,

Why you post a new topic on a public forum when you can`t talk about this??? When you are really working for biac, you also know that an Antonov An-124 is a stage 3 aircraft. When you cant say anything, dont post anything. better no news, than not correct news.

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PS: sorry that I didn't react earlier but I was in Germany for the WRC.
No sorry needed Brubiac :)

And V-bird, he mentionned in his first post that there was an An124 at BRU and it would be here for several days (Am I correct?). yes, he gave as reason Stage III, but he mentionned that it could be something else ... And if he is not allowed to tell the real reason, we have to accept that. Be happy that he wanted to post something about this. Beside, a lot of topics and posts over here are started because someone has heard a rumor. Tata :)

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V-Bird: you should have to be happy for the fact that BruBiac gave us, as the first one, an indication that something was wrong, and I have a lot of respect for that, and even more respect for the fact that he respected the rules of not telling things he is not allowed to tell.

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V-Bird wrote:Dear,

When you are really working for biac, you also know that an Antonov An-124 is a stage 3 aircraft.

Kind regards,
I'm working for BIAC not for Antonov, to be sure of the noise restrictions I've to search for it in our TMA-database. The military-flights aren't in this database :arrow: no info about the noise
I'm not a database on my own.

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Brubiac wrote:
V-Bird wrote:Dear,

When you are really working for biac, you also know that an Antonov An-124 is a stage 3 aircraft.

Kind regards,
I'm working for BIAC not for Antonov, to be sure of the noise restrictions I've to search for it in our TMA-database. The military-flights aren't in this database :arrow: no info about the noise
I'm not a database on my own.
Well, the Antonov An-124 is a civil plane! She is designed as an military cargo/transportplane ( and the an-225 as a shuttle-carrier plane ) so you have to find some information in youre tma-database. Offical, the antonov an-124 is not an military aircraft anymore, because civil cargo operators like Antonov Design Bureau, and Heavy Airlift / Air Foyle ( from the UK ) operates with this plane. Also the registration number of this plane (UR-82073) is an Ukraine Civil number. ( you can find the difference between Civil and Millitary registration numbers on the Internet )

Its true that the planes is often charted by european millitary, but it doesnt mean that it`s not a civil aircraft. And when the cargo load is secret, i know for sure that they will use a C-17 millitary cargo plane. As an NAVO-Member, you can rent a plane ( complete with crew = wetlease ) by the US AF. Not a problem at all.

If you want more information about tghe an-124, you can read the book : Tupolev, Antonov and Ilyshin, from russia with love.... Written by former employees of the FAA....

technical data :

Powerplants

An-124 - Four 229.5kN (51,590lb) ZMKB Progress (Lotarev) D18T turbofans. Stage 3 aircraft.

Performance

An-124 - Max cruising speed 865km/h (468kt), typical cruising speeds between 800 and 850km/h (430 to 460kt). Range with max payload 4500km (2430nm), range with full fuel load 16,500km (8900nm).

Weights

An-124 - Operating empty 175,000kg (385,800lb), max takeoff 405,000kg (892,875lb).

Dimensions

Wing span 73.30m (240ft 6in), length 69.10m (226ft 9in), height 20.78m (68ft 2in). Wing area 628.0m2 (6760sq ft).

Capacity

Flightcrew of six consisting of two pilots, two flight engineers, navigator and communications operator. Upper deck behind the flightdeck area features a galley, rest room and two relief crew cabins. Upper deck area behind the wing can accommodate up to 88 passengers. Main deck cargo compartment can carry a range of bulky and oversized cargos. The An-124's total payload in weight is 150 tonnes (330,695lb).

Production

About 60 An-124s have been built, of which 20 were in commercial use in 1998. Some western based freight operators utilise An-124s leased from Antonov for freight charters.

History
For a time the massive An-124 held the mantle of the world's largest aircraft before the arrival of the An-225, a stretched six engine derivative. It is commonly used for oversize freight charters.

Developed primarily as a strategic military freighter (in which role it can carry missile units and main battle tanks), the first prototype An-124 flew on December 26 1982. A second prototype, named Ruslan (after a Russian folk hero), made the type's first western public appearance at the Paris Airshow in June 1985, preceding the type's first commercial operations in January 1986. Since that time the An-124 has set a wide range of payload records, a recent achievement being the heaviest single load ever transported by air - a 124 tonne (273,400lb) powerplant generator and its associated weight spreading cradle, a total payload weight of 132.4 tonnes (291,940lb), set in late 1993.

Notable features include nose and tail cargo doors, 24 wheel undercarriage allowing operations from semi prepared strips, the ability to kneel to allow easier front loading, and flybywire control system.

The two major An-124 variants are the basic An-124 and similar Russian civil certificated An-124100 [\b]. Various upgrades have been proposed, including the western avionics equipped An-124100M built in prototype form but not flown, the three crew EFIS flighdeck equipped An-124102 and the An-124FFF firebomber.

Numerous reengine studies have also been conducted, including using RollsRoyce RB211524Gs, General Electric CF680s (as the An-124130) and even Aviadvigatel NK93 propfans.

The An-225 Myria is based on the An-124 but features six (instead of four) D18T turbofans, a stretched fuselage and a 600 tonne (1,322,750lb) max takeoff weight. One was built intended as a transport for the Russian Buran Space Shuttle equivalent. First flight was in 1988.

Copyricht:Airliners.net and Tupolev, Antonov and Ilyshin, from russia with love....

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Only post if the info you have is correct - not rumour or what you believe to be true, and if you have info but must not reveal it - say nothing until you are allowed to. All you do here is stir things up or draw attention to yourself - perhaps that is the intention but all you really do is p**s off genuine enthusiasts who want up-to-date and accurate info.

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Discussion closed guys :) Just be some happy friends.

Edit: No, not the end of this topic, just the end of the Cat III battle ;)

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The Antonov is even blocked by a fire truck the last 2 days.

Picture taken sunday 22th august

http://coppermine.luchtzak.be/albums/us ... 703454.jpg

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A Russian An124 departed from Melsbroek to Afganistan. The aircraft was chartered by the Nato and was a replacement for the Antonov Design Bureau An124. It is possably a Volga
Dneper aircraft. This is what was availabe on the Vrtnews site.

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liebensd wrote:A Russian An124 departed from Melsbroek to Afganistan. The aircraft was chartered by the Nato and was a replacement for the Antonov Design Bureau An124. It is possably a Volga
Dneper aircraft. This is what was availabe on the Vrtnews site.

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An Volga Dneper AN124 was parked this morning at the mil terminal

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Saw the amazing take-off yesterday on 25R at about 16.45!

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luchtzak wrote:Saw the amazing take-off yesterday on 25R at about 16.45!
How can you see it take off if according to André's post it will only T/O this afternnon :confused:

Anyway, does someone know the best spot from where you can see the parked AN124 of ADB ??

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I did see the An-124 already leaving yesterday, and also on the vrt-website: Watch the video

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Avro wrote:Anyway, does someone know the best spot from where you can see the parked AN124 of ADB ??
I think near the military apron at Melsbroek on the Haachtsesteenweg.

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luchtzak wrote:I did see the An-124 already leaving yesterday, and also on the vrt-website: Watch the video
Does this mean that André news is wrong then ?

I was allready very happy and hoped to take a picture of the AN214 leaving this afternon :( But I'm apparently one day too late :( :( :(

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That's gross news! I had hoped the An124 would be there a bit longer because I wanted to bag it. I will have to hope I see one in MAN now.
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Comet wrote:That's gross news! I had hoped the An124 would be there a bit longer because I wanted to bag it. I will have to hope I see one in MAN now.
Don't worry louise, we are not talking about the same AN124.

The one from Antonov design bureau is still parked in BRU.
We were talking about an AN214 from Volga Dneper which came to BRU to do the job of the parked one from ADB.

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Sorry Chris :oops: I just saw the piece about the An124 taking off from BRU and I assumed it was the impounded one, I didn't know another one had arrived.

I only have the ADB one in a back sort of view on video, it was parked at the far side of MAN (I cannot think of the name on the hangar where it was parked just now, I would have to check the video) and it is often there. Apparently it was a regular visitor to MAN in early June, so I heard from some MAN spotters, but it was not around when I went on 8th June.

I am also hoping for some interesting traffic at EBOS sometime when I am on holiday then I can go and see it (the beauty of being based in Brugge is that EBOS is not far away!)
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