Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

[Lux_avi]

I agree, same for passenger comfort, very bad planes and in addition the curve after takeoff means that it flies over the centre of Brussels when turning to the left.

The curve after take-off???

[lumumba]

I agree, same for passenger comfort, very bad planes and in addition the curve after takeoff means that it flies over the centre of Brussels when turning to the left.

The curve after take-off???

Exactly, if you look closely after takeoff, Boeing 787s have a much wider turning radius than all the others and pass over a large part of the city.

[Wouter1996]

I have flown both the A350 and the B787-9. I found the A350 more fun, more spacious, and quieter than the B787-9. Just give me the A350.

[convair]

I agree, same for passenger comfort, very bad planes and in addition the curve after takeoff means that it flies over the centre of Brussels when turning to the left.

The curve after take-off???

Exactly, if you look closely after takeoff, Boeing 787s have a much wider turning radius than all the others and pass over a large part of the city.

Is there an intrinsic technical cause for that?

[Duke]

If it is true that Discover will receive 9 extra A350's, I think this means Brussels Airlines will not get any new examples soon. and maybe will get the older A330's now used by LH, Swiss or maybe even Discover...
What a missed chance this would be to equip Brussels Airlines with recent state of the art aircraft...
Looks to me that the LH group doesn't consider Brussels Airlines as a premium member of the group..., but rather a cheap daughter airline to operate a number of African flights... maybe i am wrong?

[LHG.Fleet]

I also think Brussels has a strange position at LHG, and the strategy seems somewhat opaque.

It’s clear that SN will get two more 333s next year, which will be equipped with a new cabin that, according to rumors, will be identical to 4Y’s.

Next rumor: only 6 out of 13 333s will get the new cabin because the rest from 2019 are considered modern enough. (That’s just a strange decision—why not retrofit them all uniformly?)

There’s been talk of next-gen aircraft (359/789) for a while, but there’s never been a public decision on the matter…

SN somehow has no strategy or is simply being kept small by the group, and that seems to offer no prospects.

[crew1990]

Post-covid the fleet consisted of:

30 A319/A320
8 A330

In S27, it should be:

37 A319/A320/A320neo(13)
13 A330
4 A220 on wetlease

Whatever what people say the fleet is growing. Maybe not as fast as some people would like but Brussels Airlines is far to be stand still.

[LHG.Fleet]

There’s no question that the fleet is growing, but it just seems as though, in the longhaul, there’s no real strategy and/or it’s being held back...

[oldblueeyes]

Why do you mean that there is no strategy?

- growing the fleet in average by 1 widebody per year
- around 2030 introduction of the next generation widebody
- update of the hard product toa group mainstream cabin model, start by replacing the oldest design and leave free room (not upgrading) to roll over

All the rest is withing the LHG pattern - if not confirmed a priori, allocation of aircraft 1,5-2 years before delivery.
There was never a promise that next gen would be decided this winter and obviously the rumours that LHG is preparing another order and some decisions taken oublic or not around the last week strikes would influence here some allocations as well.

[crew1990]

There’s no question that the fleet is growing, but it just seems as though, in the longhaul, there’s no real strategy and/or it’s being held back...

The strategy is quiet clear… Connect North America and Africa via via Brussels with the help of the joint venture. Air Canada/United/Brussels Airlines transatlantic and Brussels Airlines to Africa. This is the main strategy at the moment and working quiet well actually.

[lumumba]

There’s no question that the fleet is growing, but it just seems as though, in the longhaul, there’s no real strategy and/or it’s being held back...

The strategy is quiet clear… Connect North America and Africa via via Brussels with the help of the joint venture. Air Canada/United/Brussels Airlines transatlantic and Brussels Airlines to Africa. This is the main strategy at the moment and working quiet well actually.

And let's go for the A330-900....

[oldblueeyes]

up to now the choices were 359 or 789 and the 338 mentioned again deliberately that it was delibertately not choosed for the group and just an m&a consequence

[Lux_avi]

The curve after take-off???

Exactly, if you look closely after takeoff, Boeing 787s have a much wider turning radius than all the others and pass over a large part of the city.

Is there an intrinsic technical cause for that?

No, it's pure BS.

[lumumba]

Exactly, if you look closely after takeoff, Boeing 787s have a much wider turning radius than all the others and pass over a large part of the city.

Is there an intrinsic technical cause for that?

No, it's pure BS.

Bullshit!!!
But before you are saying Bullshit do your research, instead of talking nonsense!

The Boeing 787 Dreamliner appears to take off slower and climb more gradually than Airbus counterparts primarily to maximize fuel efficiency, reduce engine wear (via derated thrust), and minimize noise near airports. Its flexible wings, designed for efficiency, and the use of "assumed temperature" takeoff methods often result in a longer, slower, and smoother acceleration profile compared to the stiffer, higher-lift wing designs of Airbus aircraft.

It's very easy go to flight radar and look to the curve of all 787 after take off and compare it with ALL other long haul,you will see the difference.

I live in Auderghem and we never had another plane over or head than a 787 the 777,A330 etc turns before what never happened with the 787....

You are big BS!!!

[sn26567]

Let's please keep our discussions polite!

[oldblueeyes]

Sorry but personal bad luck in choosing own real estate is not a criteria for an airline to judge the best fit model to fly.

There were some rumours that LH would order soon some additional planes, likely widebodies, and depending on which manufacturer and model would get new orders we may see a tendency forward.

Although, my bet would be that as deliveries should start around 2033 as rumoured, LH would supplement the 779 orders to replace the 748 and 380.

[crew1990]

There were some rumours that LH would order soon some additional planes, likely widebodies, and depending on which manufacturer and model would get new orders we may see a tendency forward.

There is more than rumour. Carsten Sporr was even is Seattle 2 weeks ago

At the moment the choice still to be done between 787-9, A330-900 and A350-900

I put my bet on the 787-9 as well even if from a personnal point of view I’m dreaming of A350.

[Lux_avi]

Bullshit!!!
But before you are saying Bullshit do your research, instead of talking nonsense!

The Boeing 787 Dreamliner appears to take off slower and climb more gradually than Airbus counterparts primarily to maximize fuel efficiency, reduce engine wear (via derated thrust), and minimize noise near airports. Its flexible wings, designed for efficiency, and the use of "assumed temperature" takeoff methods often result in a longer, slower, and smoother acceleration profile compared to the stiffer, higher-lift wing designs of Airbus aircraft.

It's very easy go to flight radar and look to the curve of all 787 after take off and compare it with ALL other long haul,you will see the difference.

I live in Auderghem and we never had another plane over or head than a 787 the 777,A330 etc turns before what never happened with the 787....

You are big BS!!!

Assumed temperature, reduced thrust & co is not related to the 787 only.
It all depends on how you use it.

Ryanair uses totally different settings in BRU than TUI does on the 737, resulting in different profiles.

The 787 does not have lower climb gradients nor a wider "curve" - as you call it - on take-off (this only depends on the speed, by the way).

[crew1990]

On a sidenote, after retrofit, Brussels Airlines and Discover will share the same cabin. I would then not be surprise that a few A330’s from Discover could join Brussels Airlines for an expansion as from S28 by waiting the new gen aircraft as Discover Will replace them with A350’s. Those A330’s are own by Lufthansa group and some of them are still not that old.

There are new destinations in the pipeline and Brussels Airlines have been granted slots to operate flight to Lubumbashi. But even if the fleet is slowly growing, the fleet need to grow even more.

[lumumba]

Bullshit!!!
But before you are saying Bullshit do your research, instead of talking nonsense!

The Boeing 787 Dreamliner appears to take off slower and climb more gradually than Airbus counterparts primarily to maximize fuel efficiency, reduce engine wear (via derated thrust), and minimize noise near airports. Its flexible wings, designed for efficiency, and the use of "assumed temperature" takeoff methods often result in a longer, slower, and smoother acceleration profile compared to the stiffer, higher-lift wing designs of Airbus aircraft.

It's very easy go to flight radar and look to the curve of all 787 after take off and compare it with ALL other long haul,you will see the difference.

I live in Auderghem and we never had another plane over or head than a 787 the 777,A330 etc turns before what never happened with the 787....

You are big BS!!!

Assumed temperature, reduced thrust & co is not related to the 787 only.
It all depends on how you use it.

Ryanair uses totally different settings in BRU than TUI does on the 737, resulting in different profiles.

The 787 does not have lower climb gradients nor a wider "curve" - as you call it - on take-off (this only depends on the speed, by the way).

Have a look at flight radar all the flights curve ALL are wider !

It's very simple: when a long-haul flight takes off to the left, only the 787 flies over our part of the city. And I've never seen it turn more sharply,again never!

You can see it live with THAI at 13h30 and compare it to the Singapore of 11h45.