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oldblueeyes
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Well, 2-4-2 is sold as Premium Eco :)

To me the 339 sounds problematic, unless leased.

The replacement wave would take place around 2029-2035 and if bought, these planes would be in service until 2050. Latest around 2040 when both Airbus and Boeing may bring an upgrade eg engine for their 787 and 350 product families, Brussels would be stuck into having to new to be sold and to old by technology aircraft.

Furthermore, i think that getting more A320NEOs and all brand new widebodies may be a too heavy investment for a still fragile SN.

Having Austrian as a benchmark, where the widebody fleet is a mix of brand new and used but young aircraft, i do believe that such a creative mix may be the solution for SN as well.
The 7 NTU's Lufthansa acquired and are supposed to be delivered in the coming months could be such as solution in a mix with brand new 789. This may mean that SN is going Allegris as well, but there are ways to do so.

I see the 339 only as pass trough from ITA - they want to grow via A359 and may shift their fleet, all 339 are leased thus having no risk of sunk investment and the nice part is that they have already the Thompson Vantage cabin and with 30 business and 24 premium eco the configuration is close to SN's optimal seating. Mid life leasing exit options for these aircraft may come around 2034 at 12 years or 2038 at 16 years, thus this may be an option for a bridge model.

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I think after 2050 we won't be traveling by plane so much anymore. There will be almost no oil left. The world will be different.
Flying will be not so easy anymore.
Hasta la victoria siempre.

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SFQ went to Châteauroux today. EAF says it's for painting, while it already has the new livery. :?:

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crew1990 wrote: 20 Mar 2026, 21:06 Beside the type of aircraft, 787, A350 or A330neo (yes he is back in the game), what would be interesting is how many frame will be ordered, hopefully 15

Wasn't the A350 already (un)officially elected as the successor for the A330's a while ago by SN?

How realistic is the 787 ?

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The former CEO of Cotonou once told me that AF would prefer to use an A350 but due to the RWY length, 2400m, they must use a 772.

H.A.

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Boavida wrote: 24 Mar 2026, 16:38
crew1990 wrote: 20 Mar 2026, 21:06 Beside the type of aircraft, 787, A350 or A330neo (yes he is back in the game), what would be interesting is how many frame will be ordered, hopefully 15

Wasn't the A350 already (un)officially elected as the successor for the A330's a while ago by SN?

How realistic is the 787 ?
Officially there is a choice to be made between both.
And there are good reasons for each type, the question is rather what is the preference at group level.

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What are they painting on OO-SFQ @ Châteauroux ?

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oldblueeyes wrote: 24 Mar 2026, 17:21
Boavida wrote: 24 Mar 2026, 16:38
crew1990 wrote: 20 Mar 2026, 21:06 Beside the type of aircraft, 787, A350 or A330neo (yes he is back in the game), what would be interesting is how many frame will be ordered, hopefully 15

Wasn't the A350 already (un)officially elected as the successor for the A330's a while ago by SN?

How realistic is the 787 ?
Officially there is a choice to be made between both.
And there are good reasons for each type, the question is rather what is the preference at group level.
There is a third choice the 330.900 let's see.
Hasta la victoria siempre.

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lumumba wrote: 24 Mar 2026, 18:52
oldblueeyes wrote: 24 Mar 2026, 17:21
Boavida wrote: 24 Mar 2026, 16:38


Wasn't the A350 already (un)officially elected as the successor for the A330's a while ago by SN?

How realistic is the 787 ?
Officially there is a choice to be made between both.
And there are good reasons for each type, the question is rather what is the preference at group level.
There is a third choice the 330.900 let's see.
As what?
Short term available leases?
2nd Hand from ITA if they roll over to A359?

The larger European players are all leasing the A339, ypu mam not want to fly it 2050 against a 789 with next generation engines..

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oldblueeyes wrote: 24 Mar 2026, 19:21
lumumba wrote: 24 Mar 2026, 18:52
oldblueeyes wrote: 24 Mar 2026, 17:21

Officially there is a choice to be made between both.
And there are good reasons for each type, the question is rather what is the preference at group level.
There is a third choice the 330.900 let's see.
As what?
Short term available leases?
2nd Hand from ITA if they roll over to A359?

The larger European players are all leasing the A339, ypu mam not want to fly it 2050 against a 789 with next generation engines..
TAP and other chose they chose it, and for example, for TAP they will surely fly with it until the end for 25-30 years.
I'm not an expert, but it's certainly a very good device, even if it's slightly less economical than the others.
All I can repeat is that I hope for a passenger like me who flies long-haul in economy, this aircraft is so much more comfortable than the 787.
Hasta la victoria siempre.

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Let's try to stick to facts and not towards personal likes or dislikes.

Lufthansa' s core strategy is to simply its fleet and has chosen 1 type of aircraft by each size they want to operate in the future. These models are B789-A359-A351-B779.

The company stated already public at the Capital markets day that the 339 was deliberatly not chosen as a future model and the only reason it is in the game is due to M&A.

As of today, at least public statement, is to choose between the B789 and the A359 for Brussels.

Now let's look a little bit forward and try to forsee some scenarios, as Lufthansa is bidding for TAP.

If Lufthansa will not get TAP
- ITA would be strongly pushed towards Latam growth and likely also Lufthansa would add aditional routes from FRA with B789
- SN would get additional routes in Africa to compete with AFKLMTAP
- the 339 may stay as a niche aircraft outside the core fleet planning and could exit either ITA or totally the group early 2030s (11 frames are leased)

If Lufthasna is getting TAP
- the deal would consider a growth plan for the brand, as Portugal is building a new airport for up to 100 mil pax, to open 2035 or so
- the A339 would become an alternative model within the group, with almost even par number of frames and the interchangeability the group wants between more bases
- this could bring the 339 back in the game, but the first question to answer would be in Brussels would stay as Africa hub or its own positioning may change towards eg more TATL and leisure

Overall, the major question is to which extend Brussels can finance brand new aircraft or would need to relay on the 2nd market - around 2030 the first mid life 789 and 359 would come to the market and a decision driven by financial constraints may wait for opportunities in that space.

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Just some interesting news coming from ITA.

- they want to expand and want/need additional A350s to be procured via Lufthansa
- they are unhappy with the 321LR and these would into storage and the engines would be used short term for other 320NEOs
- the reasons they are unhappy are mainly that towards the Middle East the market imploded and towards Africa they do not seem to be the right aircraft/ results are modest , whatever this may mean

Just thinking here - if Lufthansa won't get TAP which has A321LR and ITA may be happier with 321NEOs, there may be a future window of opportunities for SN to get these 321LR re-allocated. They may still work for TATL only, but still this would be a new market.

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Miqvell wrote: 23 Mar 2026, 17:13 SFQ went to Châteauroux today. EAF says it's for painting, while it already has the new livery. :?:
Tomorrow the SFQ will be back

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Still not clear what they did or had to do ... :(
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DannyVDB wrote: 31 Mar 2026, 16:16 Still not clear what they did or had to do ... :(
Danny
And only for a very short time, 1 week.
No idea neither

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Atlantis wrote: 31 Mar 2026, 17:08
DannyVDB wrote: 31 Mar 2026, 16:16 Still not clear what they did or had to do ... :(
Danny
And only for a very short time, 1 week.
No idea neither
On the EAF site it says Paint. We'll see...

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plot twist: D-AIKP is also in CHR for paint

maybe D-AIKP is getting the SN colors and OO-SFQ is getting the Discover colors, that way SN gets a newer plane!

(aprils fool joke btw)

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Atlantis wrote: 31 Mar 2026, 15:45
Miqvell wrote: 23 Mar 2026, 17:13 SFQ went to Châteauroux today. EAF says it's for painting, while it already has the new livery. :?:
Tomorrow the SFQ will be back
Flight today cancelled, now expected back in BRU tomorrow at 1630LT. :) Maybe something with the Red Devils? Who knows...

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The latest new A320neo, SBG, will perform on Friday the first commercial flight

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yaropaesmans wrote: 01 Apr 2026, 12:11
Atlantis wrote: 31 Mar 2026, 15:45
Miqvell wrote: 23 Mar 2026, 17:13 SFQ went to Châteauroux today. EAF says it's for painting, while it already has the new livery. :?:
Tomorrow the SFQ will be back
Flight today cancelled, now expected back in BRU tomorrow at 1630LT. :) Maybe something with the Red Devils? Who knows...
It make sense. Morover, first commercial flight on April 3th is NY ;)

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