Brussels Airlines in 2025

[OO-PDM]

from an article about the AC strike: "Currently, like many airlines, Air Canada pays flight attendants only for work done while the plane’s doors are closed."

Is this something SN and the other members of the Lufthansa group do too?
Might be a stupid question but HR is not my area of expertise.

It’s common practice in many airlines, including SN.
There’s a fixed basic salary and variable pay based on block hours. On top of that some tax-efficient allowances are paid.

ok I see, thx

[HQ_BRU_Lover]

If I'm not mistaken it's even "on block/off block" times. Meaning that only when the blocks are being removed and the pusback is started, time starts to count. So doors closed, but waiting for a lot for 2 hours: working hours not started yet and "lost" but I can be wrong of course - this is how I remember it from one particular airline in the past.

[Tim Verheyden]

Something wrong with SFG? It's been idle for 10 days.

It was supposed to get a nose landing gear replacement last week at Sabena Engineering, but some delays meant it wasn't completed within the scheduled timeframe. So it may still be waiting for that to be finished.

[convair]

Something wrong with SFG? It's been idle for 10 days.

It was supposed to get a nose landing gear replacement last week at Sabena Engineering, but some delays meant it wasn't completed within the scheduled timeframe. So it may still be waiting for that to be finished.

Thanks-Bedankt

[Boeing767copilot]

When will SN begin installing shielded business class seats on its A320 fleet?
Wasn't that planned for autumn 2025?

[Homo Aeroportus]

Something wrong with SFG? It's been idle for 10 days.

It was supposed to get a nose landing gear replacement last week at Sabena Engineering, but some delays meant it wasn't completed within the scheduled timeframe. So it may still be waiting for that to be finished.

Seems further postponed.
Though Flightstats.com still shows SN201 24AUG will be operated by OO-SFG, FR24 shows this flight as cancelled.
OO-SFX will take over on that day as SN203 (BRU-DSS-BJL) again according to FR24.

HA

[Tim Verheyden]

Something wrong with SFG? It's been idle for 10 days.

It was supposed to get a nose landing gear replacement last week at Sabena Engineering, but some delays meant it wasn't completed within the scheduled timeframe. So it may still be waiting for that to be finished.

Seems further postponed.
Though Flightstats.com still shows SN201 24AUG will be operated by OO-SFG, FR24 shows this flight as cancelled.
OO-SFX will take over on that day as SN203 (BRU-DSS-BJL) again according to FR24.

HA

I've heard that apparently they're currently installing the new nose landing gear onto -SFG (after quite the delay). So maybe it's possible that they'll be done by the 24th, but I'm not sure.

[longwings]

If I'm not mistaken it's even "on block/off block" times. Meaning that only when the blocks are being removed and the pusback is started, time starts to count. So doors closed, but waiting for a lot for 2 hours: working hours not started yet and "lost" but I can be wrong of course - this is how I remember it from one particular airline in the past.

Block-on/off is an expression, but not far from the truth. Technically, for crews on that pay scheme, the clock starts when the flight's status switches to departed, which typically happens when the door is closed, whether pushback happens immediately after or not.

In the US environment the attendants are paid ground pay for the work done whilst the aircraft is not flying and a much higher pay whilst the aircraft is effectively productive.

On American, Delta, and Alaska. On other carriers, they're still not paid for ground time (except for diversion).

Historically, flight attendants have agreed to these provisions where they get paid for only part of the hours worked as long as the pay was higher. Delays are increasing in frequency and length, and the unpaid time is starting to add up significantly. What reportedly prompted the Air Canada strike is flight attendants routinely added up to nearly 40 hours a month in unpaid work, which meant that the most junior ones were effectively earning the minimum legal wage when accounting for all hours worked.

[Homo Aeroportus]

It was supposed to get a nose landing gear replacement last week at Sabena Engineering, but some delays meant it wasn't completed within the scheduled timeframe. So it may still be waiting for that to be finished.

Seems further postponed.
Though Flightstats.com still shows SN201 24AUG will be operated by OO-SFG, FR24 shows this flight as cancelled.
OO-SFX will take over on that day as SN203 (BRU-DSS-BJL) again according to FR24.

HA

I've heard that apparently they're currently installing the new nose landing gear onto -SFG (after quite the delay). So maybe it's possible that they'll be done by the 24th, but I'm not sure.

Golf is now planned to operate SN255 BRU-OUA-ABJ on Wednesday 27AUG.

H.A.

[Atlantis]

Change in management decisions. Soon, as from the beginning of 2026, all decisions regarding network planning, sales and offer will be decided by the LH HQ in Germany for the whole group. This to centralize and to increase the profit.

Local brands will only decide about catering, pax satisfaction and customer experience.

Maybe in September more news.

Source: LinkedIn and Luchtvaartnieuws.

[DannyVDB]

I thought that was already the case for the network planning, no? And for transatlantic routes even together with other players such as AC and UA ...

Does it make sense to do this separately?

D

[Atlantis]

I thought that was already the case for the network planning, no? And for transatlantic routes even together with other players such as AC and UA ...

Does it make sense to do this separately?

D

It seems not otherwise they would not bring it now to the German HQ. Some more info this time from Swissinfo. Also Finance, HR and technology will come under the centralized board.

But the change will be very important for Swiss. Swiss is considered the central component in the group and makes a significant profit in this group.
Swiss decisive to stay a strong airline and to take its own decisions in the offering. It will be represented on all relevant committees

[longwings]

Change in management decisions. Soon, as from the beginning of 2026, all decisions regarding network planning, sales and offer will be decided by the LH HQ in Germany for the whole group.

Wasn't group-wide network planning and sales for Africa consolidated at Brussels Airlines already? Does this decision impact that?

[Homo Aeroportus]

Seems further postponed.
Though Flightstats.com still shows SN201 24AUG will be operated by OO-SFG, FR24 shows this flight as cancelled.
OO-SFX will take over on that day as SN203 (BRU-DSS-BJL) again according to FR24.

HA

I've heard that apparently they're currently installing the new nose landing gear onto -SFG (after quite the delay). So maybe it's possible that they'll be done by the 24th, but I'm not sure.

Golf is now planned to operate SN255 BRU-OUA-ABJ on Wednesday 27AUG.

H.A.

Golf is still out of the game.
She would be very welcome back though. Yesterday Foxtrot called in sick and SN515 was cancelled, she is back on today.
This morning, shortly before STD, SN467 KGL-EBB was cancelled as OO-SFH was put on SN357 FIH where OO-SFX was planned but she is not flying today.
Come back quick Golf.

H.A.

[Homo Aeroportus]

OO-SFG is finally back in business.
She is now planned to operate SN299 to ABJ this Saturday 06SEP.
Must have been something serious to keep her grounded since 12AUG.

H.A.

[Tim Verheyden]

OO-SFG is finally back in business.
She is now planned to operate SN299 to ABJ this Saturday 06SEP.
Must have been something serious to keep her grounded since 12AUG.

H.A.

In the meantime, OO-SFH arrived at Sabena Engineering on 03SEP for both MLG and NLG replacement. Already two days later than originally planned, so we can expect this one to be out of action until sometime next week at least.

Afterwards it should be OO-SFJ's turn.

[Homo Aeroportus]

OO-SFG is finally back in business.
She is now planned to operate SN299 to ABJ this Saturday 06SEP.
Must have been something serious to keep her grounded since 12AUG.

H.A.

In the meantime, OO-SFH arrived at Sabena Engineering on 03SEP for both MLG and NLG replacement. Already two days later than originally planned, so we can expect this one to be out of action until sometime next week at least.

Afterwards it should be OO-SFJ's turn.

Thanks info Tim.
This may explain why SN515 of today is again cancelled.

H.A.

[Homo Aeroportus]

So today we have Charlie, Golf and Hotel in Mx.
That is 3 out of 11.

and OO-SFG, that was planned to be back in service tomorrow, is again put out of line.

H.A.

[nordikcam]

So today we have Charlie, Golf and Hotel in Mx.
That is 3 out of 11.

and OO-SFG, that was planned to be back in service tomorrow, is again put out of line.

H.A.

Booking a long-haul flight is completely risky at SN. Like every summer or every winter, it’s Russian roulette! It's not serious! A pity !

[Homo Aeroportus]

So today we have Charlie, Golf and Hotel in Mx.
That is 3 out of 11.

and OO-SFG, that was planned to be back in service tomorrow, is again put out of line.

H.A.

Booking a long-haul flight is completely risky at SN. Like every summer or every winter, it’s Russian roulette! It's not serious! A pity !

I understand that and I also have to have a plan B for my own travel to AFI or when we are shipping goods.
But Safety First and if a landing gear needs to be replaced, there is no messing around with that. That seems to be the reason why both Golf and Hotel are out. I supposed that Charlie had to be taken out for one day and that Mx could not be deferred.

H.A.