Brussels Airport (BRU): Border control

[lumumba]

I know what passport control is for! All I'm saying is that we need to do a little less checking at the moment because the organization isn't keeping up. As for the rest, I've already given my arguments. Besides, I think that there are rarely average airports(passengers wise)like Brussels that suffer from this problem.

[Airwave]

The solution could be very simple : go for full automatisation. From my own experience : 10+ automatic pasport-scanning lines supervised by 2 or 3 agents result in no cue and top notch experience.Where ? SIN of course....from where we could learn a lot more about efficiency.

[DannyVDB]

I think there are even 20 or so ...
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[Conti764]

I know what passport control is for! All I'm saying is that we need to do a little less checking at the moment because the organization isn't keeping up. As for the rest, I've already given my arguments. Besides, I think that there are rarely average airports(passengers wise)like Brussels that suffer from this problem.

Opening the floodgates isn't doing a little less checking.

[lumumba]

I know what passport control is for! All I'm saying is that we need to do a little less checking at the moment because the organization isn't keeping up. As for the rest, I've already given my arguments. Besides, I think that there are rarely average airports(passengers wise)like Brussels that suffer from this problem.

Opening the floodgates isn't doing a little less checking.

Ok that's what we have to do now!
I don't believe in this passport checking anyway most of people that wants to enter (and can't)go via other ways.

[convair]

I don't believe in this passport checking anyway most of people that wants to enter (and can't)go via other ways.

Maybe so, but those who are cought are cought. It would be interesting to have some statistics about that.

[lumumba]

I think there are even 20 or so ...
D

Where are them?
If you go true the left side after a small door and true a snake pad you arrive at some,but there are no more than 8?!

[lumumba]

I don't believe in this passport checking anyway most of people that wants to enter (and can't)go via other ways.

Maybe so, but those who are cought are cought. It would be interesting to have some statistics about that.

It's never perfect,now for it to work while they reorganize everything we need to simplify and lighten the controls.

[fcw]

I don't believe in this passport checking anyway most of people that wants to enter (and can't)go via other ways.

Maybe so, but those who are cought are cought. It would be interesting to have some statistics about that.

It's never perfect,now for it to work while they reorganize everything we need to simplify and lighten the controls.

What about just being patient?

[lumumba]

Maybe so, but those who are cought are cought. It would be interesting to have some statistics about that.

It's never perfect,now for it to work while they reorganize everything we need to simplify and lighten the controls.

What about just being patient?

We can be patient. But there is nothing extraordinary about simplifying and lightening controls; it happens regularly in several countries in several places and it makes our lives easier.

I think commercially for the service at the airport, it is important we must remain competitive and not lose passengers.

I repeat there is no hermetic border!

[convair]

It's never perfect,now for it to work while they reorganize everything we need to simplify and lighten the controls.

What about just being patient?

We can be patient. But there is nothing extraordinary about simplifying and lightening controls; it happens regularly in several countries in several places and it makes our lives easier.

I think commercially for the service at the airport, it is important we must remain competitive and not lose passengers.

I repeat there is no hermetic border!

No one is pretending there is. Is it a reason to eliminate or even reduce controls?

[lumumba]

What about just being patient?

We can be patient. But there is nothing extraordinary about simplifying and lightening controls; it happens regularly in several countries in several places and it makes our lives easier.

I think commercially for the service at the airport, it is important we must remain competitive and not lose passengers.

I repeat there is no hermetic border!

No one is pretending there is. Is it a reason to eliminate or even reduce controls?

For the reasons I've given, yes. But I think we have to agree that we will never agree.
For commercial reasons above all!

It's already happened here and in other countries, and here it is necessary it's common.

[lucas]

We can be patient. But there is nothing extraordinary about simplifying and lightening controls; it happens regularly in several countries in several places and it makes our lives easier.

I think commercially for the service at the airport, it is important we must remain competitive and not lose passengers.

I repeat there is no hermetic border!

No one is pretending there is. Is it a reason to eliminate or even reduce controls?

For the reasons I've given, yes. But I think we have to agree that we will never agree.
For commercial reasons above all!

It's already happened here and in other countries, and here it is necessary it's common.

Can you give examples of countries that have eased border control, and the benefits this had for the security of those countries?

[lumumba]

No one is pretending there is. Is it a reason to eliminate or even reduce controls?

For the reasons I've given, yes. But I think we have to agree that we will never agree.
For commercial reasons above all!

It's already happened here and in other countries, and here it is necessary it's common.

Can you give examples of countries that have eased border control, and the benefits this had for the security of those countries?

I don't have any personal experience with it but it is known, and also that it happens, it is never announced obviously.

You can imagine that with the millions of people entering and leaving the European Union, there are always times when controls are more lax it's impossible other wise.

[sn26567]

For another experience of border control delays, read this trip report:

viewtopic.php?p=440421#p440421

More than two hours after arrival at Ho Chi Minh City in Vietnam.

[lumumba]

I NEVER BUT NEVER I didn't have to wait at the border in Frankfurt.(I really love to transit there)
Paris yes on average 45 minutes (but only to the train)but those are much larger airports.
Lisbonne easy sometimes 15 minutes .
Porto perfect easy best airport.
Luanda also good between 20 and 35 minutes.
Johannesburg very good about 15 minutes.
Casablanca never waited.
Brussels Generally it's very good, except sometimes when it's downright bad but I never transit in Brussels so I have no experience about that.

[Matt]

Johannesburg very good about 15 minutes.

Are we talking about OR Tambo or Lanseria ?

For Tambo, with my old SA passport, yes, 5 minutes tops.

With my BE passport, easily 1 hour. Maybe you lucked out to not get there in the morning rush when all the red-eyes arrive.

[lumumba]

Johannesburg very good about 15 minutes.

Are we talking about OR Tambo or Lanseria ?

For Tambo, with my old SA passport, yes, 5 minutes tops.

With my BE passport, easily 1 hour. Maybe you lucked out to not get there in the morning rush when all the red-eyes arrive.

I arrive mostly around afternoon never had problems with Airlink, years ago it was the same I was arriving with KLM als never had problems.

[Matt]

Johannesburg very good about 15 minutes.

Are we talking about OR Tambo or Lanseria ?

For Tambo, with my old SA passport, yes, 5 minutes tops.

With my BE passport, easily 1 hour. Maybe you lucked out to not get there in the morning rush when all the red-eyes arrive.

I arrive mostly around afternoon never had problems with Airlink, years ago it was the same I was arriving with KLM als never had problems.

KL591 has been a day flight since as long as I can remember and arrives around 9PM (?) in the evening. Too lazy to look it up.

Then make the same comparison Border patrol problems at BRU are also less in the afternoon/evening.

[lumumba]

Are we talking about OR Tambo or Lanseria ?

For Tambo, with my old SA passport, yes, 5 minutes tops.

With my BE passport, easily 1 hour. Maybe you lucked out to not get there in the morning rush when all the red-eyes arrive.

I arrive mostly around afternoon never had problems with Airlink, years ago it was the same I was arriving with KLM als never had problems.

KL591 has been a day flight since as long as I can remember and arrives around 9PM (?) in the evening. Too lazy to look it up.

Then make the same comparison Border patrol problems at BRU are also less in the afternoon/evening.

I understand.
I just share my experience it is indeed limited.