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The economic mission to Los Angeles and San Francisco will be from 4 till 12 October 2025. Also mobility is part of it.

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Flynas will increase the flights to Jeddah will 2 extra weekly flights. This on Wednesday and Sunday. This means that there will be 5 flights a week

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Air Senegal has requested daily slots for Dakar - Brussels from November, but uncertain due to its financial situation.

Source : Flightlevel

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Miqvell wrote: 20 May 2025, 19:09 Air Senegal has requested daily slots for Dakar - Brussels from November, but uncertain due to its financial situation.

Source : Flightlevel
Very uncertain, very

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Atlantis wrote: 03 May 2025, 08:29 The economic mission to Los Angeles and San Francisco will be from 4 till 12 October 2025. Also mobility is part of it.
The mission to Brazil brought nothing to BRU while many Belgian companies do excellent business there.

Mission to India so far nothing for BRU.
Belgian companies again successful there and huge traffic to all our neighbouring countries for Indian engineers, IT specialists etc
Ten of thousands of them.
AMS booming and Eindhoven Airport preparing also for India flights.

Why would US mission bring something.

With present BRU management ???

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JOVAN2 wrote: 20 May 2025, 21:07
Atlantis wrote: 03 May 2025, 08:29 The economic mission to Los Angeles and San Francisco will be from 4 till 12 October 2025. Also mobility is part of it.
The mission to Brazil brought nothing to BRU while many Belgian companies do excellent business there.

Mission to India so far nothing for BRU.
Belgian companies again successful there and huge traffic to all our neighbouring countries for Indian engineers, IT specialists etc
Ten of thousands of them.
AMS booming and Eindhoven Airport preparing also for India flights.

Why would US mission bring something.

With present BRU management ???
I will give you a straight answer to that. There are and were of course talks with certain airlines. The majority, Mr Jovan, finds Belgium not interesting and very financial risky to start flights too. There is only one who keeps the door open but has lack of long haul planes.
If you think that bcs of Belgian companies they can fill daily flights, you are very wrong.

About India. Followed the news recently. India and Pakistan maybe??? Troubles there. No permission to fly over Pakistan. Big detour, extra costs... wake up. To start new flights everything has to go correct bcs the first and even second year they don't make profit on it. To start a new route it costs money with several 000000's.

Stop dreaming. Belgium is not an attractive, hot, everybody wants to go there country. It takes very long time, years to convince.
Belgium had lack of everything what our neighbors has. Deal with this, accept this and you will be less depressed

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Atlantis wrote: 20 May 2025, 22:24
JOVAN2 wrote: 20 May 2025, 21:07
Atlantis wrote: 03 May 2025, 08:29 The economic mission to Los Angeles and San Francisco will be from 4 till 12 October 2025. Also mobility is part of it.
The mission to Brazil brought nothing to BRU while many Belgian companies do excellent business there.

Mission to India so far nothing for BRU.
Belgian companies again successful there and huge traffic to all our neighbouring countries for Indian engineers, IT specialists etc
Ten of thousands of them.
AMS booming and Eindhoven Airport preparing also for India flights.

Why would US mission bring something.

With present BRU management ???
I will give you a straight answer to that. There are and were of course talks with certain airlines. The majority, Mr Jovan, finds Belgium not interesting and very financial risky to start flights too. There is only one who keeps the door open but has lack of long haul planes.
If you think that bcs of Belgian companies they can fill daily flights, you are very wrong.

About India. Followed the news recently. India and Pakistan maybe??? Troubles there. No permission to fly over Pakistan. Big detour, extra costs... wake up. To start new flights everything has to go correct bcs the first and even second year they don't make profit on it. To start a new route it costs money with several 000000's.

Stop dreaming. Belgium is not an attractive, hot, everybody wants to go there country. It takes very long time, years to convince.
Belgium had lack of everything what our neighbors has. Deal with this, accept this and you will be less depressed

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On Aeroroutes, we can see the changes for SN's Winter 2025 (African network)
They made some changes when compared to what was published prior to May 20.
In general i see that there will be 1 flight less compared to previous publishment.
I am wondering what growth there is compared to winter 2024.
If anyone knows, please enlighten me :)

Overall service changes:
Accra Increase from 6 to 7 weekly
Banjul Reduce from 6 to 5 weekly
Conakry Increase from 5 to 6 weekly
Lome Increase from 6 to 7 weekly
Monrovia Reduce from 6 to 5 weekly
Nairobi Reduce from 6 to 4 weekly (SN continue to operate 2 weekly Brussels – Kigali – Nairobi – Brussels)

source: https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/250521-snnw25af

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Atlantis wrote: 20 May 2025, 22:24
JOVAN2 wrote: 20 May 2025, 21:07
Atlantis wrote: 03 May 2025, 08:29 The economic mission to Los Angeles and San Francisco will be from 4 till 12 October 2025. Also mobility is part of it.
The mission to Brazil brought nothing to BRU while many Belgian companies do excellent business there.

Mission to India so far nothing for BRU.
Belgian companies again successful there and huge traffic to all our neighbouring countries for Indian engineers, IT specialists etc
Ten of thousands of them.
AMS booming and Eindhoven Airport preparing also for India flights.

Why would US mission bring something.

With present BRU management ???
I will give you a straight answer to that. There are and were of course talks with certain airlines. The majority, Mr Jovan, finds Belgium not interesting and very financial risky to start flights too. There is only one who keeps the door open but has lack of long haul planes.
If you think that bcs of Belgian companies they can fill daily flights, you are very wrong.

About India. Followed the news recently. India and Pakistan maybe??? Troubles there. No permission to fly over Pakistan. Big detour, extra costs... wake up. To start new flights everything has to go correct bcs the first and even second year they don't make profit on it. To start a new route it costs money with several 000000's.

Stop dreaming. Belgium is not an attractive, hot, everybody wants to go there country. It takes very long time, years to convince.
Belgium had lack of everything what our neighbors has. Deal with this, accept this and you will be less depressed
Nevertheless, good work is being done and major players have (re)turned, particularly from Asia.
Cheers

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travellover wrote: 21 May 2025, 23:49
Atlantis wrote: 20 May 2025, 22:24
JOVAN2 wrote: 20 May 2025, 21:07

The mission to Brazil brought nothing to BRU while many Belgian companies do excellent business there.

Mission to India so far nothing for BRU.
Belgian companies again successful there and huge traffic to all our neighbouring countries for Indian engineers, IT specialists etc
Ten of thousands of them.
AMS booming and Eindhoven Airport preparing also for India flights.

Why would US mission bring something.

With present BRU management ???
I will give you a straight answer to that. There are and were of course talks with certain airlines. The majority, Mr Jovan, finds Belgium not interesting and very financial risky to start flights too. There is only one who keeps the door open but has lack of long haul planes.
If you think that bcs of Belgian companies they can fill daily flights, you are very wrong.

About India. Followed the news recently. India and Pakistan maybe??? Troubles there. No permission to fly over Pakistan. Big detour, extra costs... wake up. To start new flights everything has to go correct bcs the first and even second year they don't make profit on it. To start a new route it costs money with several 000000's.

Stop dreaming. Belgium is not an attractive, hot, everybody wants to go there country. It takes very long time, years to convince.
Belgium had lack of everything what our neighbors has. Deal with this, accept this and you will be less depressed
Nevertheless, good work is being done and major players have (re)turned, particularly from Asia.
There are even more long haul routes and more long haul carriers at BRU then before 2019.

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In the 90/2000 we had lots more long haul:I remember VASP(Brazil!)Cubana, Caribbean Int"l,China Eastern, Iraqi,Nigeria, Air India (earlier),Air Lanka, SCIBE ZAIRE,Air Zaire,LAP Paraguay,Malaysia,Garuda,Air Lanka, Minerve France, Highland Express, lots of US carriers(American,Northwest, )etc,Cameroon, etc etc...

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ZavCity wrote: 22 May 2025, 18:45 In the 90/2000 we had lots more long haul:I remember VASP(Brazil!)Cubana, Caribbean Int"l,China Eastern, Iraqi,Nigeria, Air India (earlier),Air Lanka, SCIBE ZAIRE,Air Zaire,LAP Paraguay,Malaysia,Garuda,Air Lanka, Minerve France, Highland Express, lots of US carriers(American,Northwest, )etc,Cameroon, etc etc...
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ZavCity wrote: 22 May 2025, 18:45 In the 90/2000 we had lots more long haul:I remember VASP(Brazil!)Cubana, Caribbean Int"l,China Eastern, Iraqi,Nigeria, Air India (earlier),Air Lanka, SCIBE ZAIRE,Air Zaire,LAP Paraguay,Malaysia,Garuda,Air Lanka, Minerve France, Highland Express, lots of US carriers(American,Northwest, )etc,Cameroon, etc etc...
In 90s-2000s the competition was less stiff. In 90s we were at the beginning of the hub and spoke model (AF opened its CDG hub in 1996). Before several flights made sometimes 2 or 3 stops. In 2000s several crisis hit the aviation : 11 Sept 01, 2003 SRAS Covid, 2nd War in Irak, subprime crisis that lead to world economic crisis. Some airlines have ended ops or they have merged.

In Asia you have Emirates, Qatar Airways, Etihad have spread theirs wings. These airlines are even biggest than most European National Flag Carrier. When Emirates or Qatar serve Bangkok, Mumbai with 2-3 or 4 flights a day from Europe via Doha or Dubai, it's hard for some airlines in Europe to keep routes to BKK and BOM without losing money.

Many airlines in Europe have ended routes in Asia. Others big Asians such as Philippines Airlines, Pakistan Airlines, Air India, Garuda but even Singapore Airlines or Thai have also closed routes in Europe in 2000s due to the strong competition

In South America like in Africa several airlines have ended operations. In Brazil, VASP, VARIG and TAM have gone, while airlines such as Avianca, Aerolineas Argentina have suffered heavy looses and they have closed long haul routes. In South America thanks to the airlines alliance and mergers the capacity is well covered mainly by major European Airlines (Iberia, KLM, Air France, British Airways and TAP Airlines). Only Avianca, LATAM and Aerolineas Argentina (i talk about "strong" National Flag Carriers) have a decent in Europe, but they expand step by step.

In Africa Europeans Airlines did not enjoy for longtime of the fall of several airlines like Cameroon Airlines, Air Gabon or Air Afrique. Ethiopian Airlines, Royal Air Maroc and Turkish Airlines are now strong competitors. Plus competition from Emirates and Qatar Airways.

When i hear all (unjustified, I insist on the word unjustified) critics about Brussels Airlines there, it's a big chance to see Brussels Airlines still flying despite its small, the fact that the airline has only one long haul niche market to Africa and Brussels City is not among the highest point to point market in Europe. Milan, Zurich, Amsterdam, London, Barcelona, Paris, Munich, Frankfurt, Rome, Lisbon are ahead.
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rwandan-flyer wrote: 22 May 2025, 19:21
ZavCity wrote: 22 May 2025, 18:45 In the 90/2000 we had lots more long haul:I remember VASP(Brazil!)Cubana, Caribbean Int"l,China Eastern, Iraqi,Nigeria, Air India (earlier),Air Lanka, SCIBE ZAIRE,Air Zaire,LAP Paraguay,Malaysia,Garuda,Air Lanka, Minerve France, Highland Express, lots of US carriers(American,Northwest, )etc,Cameroon, etc etc...
In 90s-2000s the competition was less stiff. In 90s we were at the beginning of the hub and spoke model (AF opened its CDG hub in 1996). Before several flights made sometimes 2 or 3 stops. In 2000s several crisis hit the aviation : 11 Sept 01, 2003 SRAS Covid, 2nd War in Irak, subprime crisis that lead to world economic crisis. Some airlines have ended ops or they have merged.

In Asia you have Emirates, Qatar Airways, Etihad have spread theirs wings. These airlines are even biggest than most European National Flag Carrier. When Emirates or Qatar serve Bangkok, Mumbai with 2-3 or 4 flights a day from Europe via Doha or Dubai, it's hard for some airlines in Europe to keep routes to BKK and BOM without losing money.

Many airlines in Europe have ended routes in Asia. Others big Asians such as Philippines Airlines, Pakistan Airlines, Air India, Garuda but even Singapore Airlines or Thai have also closed routes in Europe in 2000s due to the strong competition

In South America like in Africa several airlines have ended operations. In Brazil, VASP, VARIG and TAM have gone, while airlines such as Avianca, Aerolineas Argentina have suffered heavy looses and they have closed long haul routes. In South America thanks to the airlines alliance and mergers the capacity is well covered mainly by major European Airlines (Iberia, KLM, Air France, British Airways and TAP Airlines). Only Avianca, LATAM and Aerolineas Argentina (i talk about "strong" National Flag Carriers) have a decent in Europe, but they expand step by step.

In Africa Europeans Airlines did not enjoy for longtime of the fall of several airlines like Cameroon Airlines, Air Gabon or Air Afrique. Ethiopian Airlines, Royal Air Maroc and Turkish Airlines are now strong competitors. Plus competition from Emirates and Qatar Airways.

When i hear all (unjustified, I insist on the word unjustified) critics about Brussels Airlines there, it's a big chance to see Brussels Airlines still flying despite its small, the fact that the airline has only one long haul niche market to Africa and Brussels City is not among the highest point to point market in Europe. Milan, Zurich, Amsterdam, London, Barcelona, Paris, Munich, Frankfurt, Rome, Lisbon are ahead.
Also you have maybe les airlines but you have much more long haul frequencies
Hasta la victoria siempre.

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JOVAN2 wrote: 20 May 2025, 21:07
Atlantis wrote: 03 May 2025, 08:29 The economic mission to Los Angeles and San Francisco will be from 4 till 12 October 2025. Also mobility is part of it.
The mission to Brazil brought nothing to BRU while many Belgian companies do excellent business there.

Mission to India so far nothing for BRU.
Belgian companies again successful there and huge traffic to all our neighbouring countries for Indian engineers, IT specialists etc
Ten of thousands of them.
AMS booming and Eindhoven Airport preparing also for India flights.

Why would US mission bring something.

With present BRU management ???
It's not because it isn't announced today it can't be announced tomorrow.
Just have patience

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BTW, how is Thai doing? Was on the flight BKK-BRU last month and completely full but my return flight BRUBKK was 60% empty...

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larsV wrote: 26 May 2025, 05:50 BTW, how is Thai doing? Was on the flight BKK-BRU last month and completely full but my return flight BRUBKK was 60% empty...
I believe Thai is doing just fine. Took the flight 4 times and 4 times the flight was over 90% full.

I am a bit more worried about Singapore Airlines tho. The few times that I took the flight last months, the load factor was only 60 to 70 %. Although, a bigger portion than I expected seems to be O&D traffic and as well Y+ and Business were around the same Numbers.

Very curious how Cathay will perform considering the increased competition from Chinese carriers and Singapore Airlines compared to their previous visit at Brussels. Considering ANA is much weaker now, I assume they are in a strong position to take a lot of Brussels - Japan traffic.

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I think Cathay has more potential in BRU than Singapore Airlines.
- HKG is geographically better positioned to be a transfer hub. From BRU, SIN can only effectively serve Southeast Asia and Oceania, with Southeast Asia mostly generating touristic traffic. HKG is well-positioned for flights to (other destinations in) East Asia, including in Mainland China, for which non-touristic demand is higher. Flight time to HKG is also about 1h15 shorter.
- HKG is also conveniently located for O&D traffic: in a 100 km radius, one can travel to cities like Hong Kong, Shenzhen, Guangzhou and Dongguan, being financial, technology and manufacturing hubs, respectively, as well as having a relatively large diaspora in Belgium. HKG also offers some unique "airside" ground transfer options to mainland China (by ferry or bus), for which passengers do not have to pass through immigration in HKG. In that sense, flying into HKG is not necessarily much worse than flying into SZX (served by Hainan Airlines), even for passengers heading to Shenzhen.
In this sense, I'm more worried about the Hainan Airlines flights to SZX. The times I took those, load factors were about 60%, and I don't see a lot of room for expansion. The main weakness of HU is that they have (almost) no international transfer options in SZX, and their domestic flights from SZX are also fairly limited.

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JOVAN2 wrote: 20 May 2025, 21:07
Atlantis wrote: 03 May 2025, 08:29 The economic mission to Los Angeles and San Francisco will be from 4 till 12 October 2025. Also mobility is part of it.
The mission to Brazil brought nothing to BRU while many Belgian companies do excellent business there.

Mission to India so far nothing for BRU.
Belgian companies again successful there and huge traffic to all our neighbouring countries for Indian engineers, IT specialists etc
Ten of thousands of them.
AMS booming and Eindhoven Airport preparing also for India flights.

Why would US mission bring something.

With present BRU management ???
Regarding India, Indigo just announced, besides Amsterdam and Manchester, that they will open flights to Athens and Copenhagen this fiscal year. No BRU.

BRU management is one thing but it's not the main factor. The main factor during economic missions or just with simple negotiations without a big mission, is politics and diplomats. It's in this last one that Belgium the last couple of years cutted a lot. Belgium became a very small player, no strong voice, no strong diplomatic corps anymore. Pity but reality. There are 40.000 slots available at BRU at this day.

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Atlantis wrote: 30 May 2025, 18:24
JOVAN2 wrote: 20 May 2025, 21:07
Atlantis wrote: 03 May 2025, 08:29 The economic mission to Los Angeles and San Francisco will be from 4 till 12 October 2025. Also mobility is part of it.
The mission to Brazil brought nothing to BRU while many Belgian companies do excellent business there.

Mission to India so far nothing for BRU.
Belgian companies again successful there and huge traffic to all our neighbouring countries for Indian engineers, IT specialists etc
Ten of thousands of them.
AMS booming and Eindhoven Airport preparing also for India flights.

Why would US mission bring something.

With present BRU management ???
Regarding India, Indigo just announced, besides Amsterdam and Manchester, that they will open flights to Athens and Copenhagen this fiscal year. No BRU.

BRU management is one thing but it's not the main factor. The main factor during economic missions or just with simple negotiations without a big mission, is politics and diplomats. It's in this last one that Belgium the last couple of years cutted a lot. Belgium became a very small player, no strong voice, no strong diplomatic corps anymore. Pity but reality. There are 40.000 slots available at BRU at this day.
Atlantis wrote: 30 May 2025, 18:24
JOVAN2 wrote: 20 May 2025, 21:07
Atlantis wrote: 03 May 2025, 08:29 The economic mission to Los Angeles and San Francisco will be from 4 till 12 October 2025. Also mobility is part of it.
The mission to Brazil brought nothing to BRU while many Belgian companies do excellent business there.

Mission to India so far nothing for BRU.
Belgian companies again successful there and huge traffic to all our neighbouring countries for Indian engineers, IT specialists etc
Ten of thousands of them.
AMS booming and Eindhoven Airport preparing also for India flights.

Why would US mission bring something.

With present BRU management ???
Regarding India, Indigo just announced, besides Amsterdam and Manchester, that they will open flights to Athens and Copenhagen this fiscal year. No BRU.

BRU management is one thing but it's not the main factor. The main factor during economic missions or just with simple negotiations without a big mission, is politics and diplomats. It's in this last one that Belgium the last couple of years cutted a lot. Belgium became a very small player, no strong voice, no strong diplomatic corps anymore. Pity but reality. There are 40.000 slots available at BRU at this day.
I call this poor salesmanship.
If you can not sell BRU , knowing there is.a catchment area of 25 million, many companies, loval and international headquarters, etc.... and 40.000 Slots !! available.... In the center of Europe....

Look for another job....

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