How will BRU and SN survive when Short haul flights will disappear ?

[JOVAN2]

It becomes more and more urgent to connect BRU better with TGV and other train connections.

In a few years time EU and other bureaucratic instances will push to stop flights below 500km.

Everybody knows that a huge part of PAX for SN's African destinations come from France.
Especially the Paris area has hundreds of thousands of African customers for SN and BRU.

Now there are two flights CDG-BRU to bring and take back.

We know that the Eurostar stops only in Brussels-Midi but that only few PAX make it further by local train to BRU Airport.
Changing trains with lots and lots of baggage is troublesome, as we all know.
Eurostar should be pushed (obliged) to stop at least in BRU Airport Station. Now the CEO of Eurostar does not want this, because she serves the French interests.

Brussels has a unique North-South train connection, and also the Diabolo is a vital and time winning infrastructure that you find nowhere in Europe.

Let us hope that the new Belgium Government puts things straight with Eurostar (and DB, NMBS and NS).
CEO of BRU needs Belgian Government support to open BRU again to thr European High speed railways.

Knowing the poor performance of Eurostar, the poor infrastructural quality in Dutch High Speed lines, it is time to put intereet of BRU and SN first/

It is simply also a matter of life or death for BRU and SN.

[Lux_avi]

[JOVAN2]

Luckily the new (future,} Arizona government is better informed than you.
They will work on re-connecting BRU to.the European HST network.
And the project to connect CRL to the rail network is on the table again.
Short flight will soon be history. For BRU and SN this is a vital project.

[nordikcam]

Luckily the new (future,} Arizona government is better informed than you.
They will work on re-connecting BRU to.the European HST network.
And the project to connect CRL to the rail network is on the table again.
Short flight will soon be history. For BRU and SN this is a vital project.

...and "soon" means ???

[luchtzak]

There was a problem with the BBCode, please double check when writing a message in the forums

[lumumba]

It becomes more and more urgent to connect BRU better with TGV and other train connections.

In a few years time EU and other bureaucratic instances will push to stop flights below 500km.

Everybody knows that a huge part of PAX for SN's African destinations come from France.
Especially the Paris area has hundreds of thousands of African customers for SN and BRU.

Now there are two flights CDG-BRU to bring and take back.

We know that the Eurostar stops only in Brussels-Midi but that only few PAX make it further by local train to BRU Airport.
Changing trains with lots and lots of baggage is troublesome, as we all know.
Eurostar should be pushed (obliged) to stop at least in BRU Airport Station. Now the CEO of Eurostar does not want this, because she serves the French interests.

Brussels has a unique North-South train connection, and also the Diabolo is a vital and time winning infrastructure that you find nowhere in Europe.

Let us hope that the new Belgium Government puts things straight with Eurostar (and DB, NMBS and NS).
CEO of BRU needs Belgian Government support to open BRU again to thr European High speed railways.

Knowing the poor performance of Eurostar, the poor infrastructural quality in Dutch High Speed lines, it is time to put intereet of BRU and SN first/

It is simply also a matter of life or death for BRU and SN.

[Homo Aeroportus]

Blue Monday ?


H.A.

[tommchris]

As short-haul flights are replaced by rail services (especially for distances under 3-4 hours), BRU could become a hub for seamless travel, integrating air and rail connections to provide more options for passengers.
Incredibox Sprunki

[JOVAN2]

Luckily the new (future,} Arizona government is better informed than you.
They will work on re-connecting BRU to.the European HST network.
And the project to connect CRL to the rail network is on the table again.
Short flight will soon be history. For BRU and SN this is a vital project.

...and "soon" means ???

At least it is on the table of people who make or can make decisions. We should all hope they succeed soon in collaborating.
Our country is going down quickly...

[Matt]

Our country is going down quickly...

[JOVAN2]

The new government agreement foresees connecting CRL to railway network.
Good decision

And even better, BRU will have to be connected again with the high speed train network.
The infrastructure is there already.
SNCB NMBS and Eurostar will have to adapt things.

Hopefully government and EU will also push to abolish monopoly of Eurostar on almost all lucrative routes.

[Atlantis]

The new government agreement foresees connecting CRL to railway network.
Good decision

And even better, BRU will have to be connected again with the high speed train network.
The infrastructure is there already.
SNCB NMBS and Eurostar will have to adapt things.

Hopefully government and EU will also push to abolish monopoly of Eurostar on almost all lucrative routes.

In the new actualization of the government agreement, the connection of CRL to the railway network is removed. It's too expensive

[JOVAN2]

Today it is announced that Flanders Government becomes major sbare holder of BRU airport.
They buy out Canadians.
Good thing. Now the Airport can develop in a more professional way.

[lumumba]

Today it is announced that Flanders Government becomes major sbare holder of BRU airport.
They buy out Canadians.
Good thing. Now the Airport can develop in a more professional way.

Yes I also think it's good,the airport is too strategic to leave it in private hands.

[longwings]

Today it is announced that Flanders Government becomes major sbare holder of BRU airport.
They buy out Canadians.
Good thing. Now the Airport can develop in a more professional way.

Yes I also think it's good,the airport is too strategic to leave it in private hands.

It was already majority-owned by public entities, not necessarily Belgian ones. The Ontario Teachers Pension Plan is an offshoot of Ontario's provincial government. OTPP's objective was to maximize returns from its investment in the airport for its beneficiaries, retired Ontario teachers.

That is what might change. Flanders could use the airport as a tool to maximize growth around the airport, even if it comes at a loss for the airport itself. Emphasize on "might" because I actually don't know what the plan is, and Flanders' goal could be the same as OTPP's, just for different beneficiaries. In that case, it isn't clear much will change at the airport.

[JOVAN2]

We will soon know more of the Flemish government plans. Expansion of long haul is certainly a priority, and not only to African destinations.
Pier A west will come to surface again as well as more hi speed train connections to and from major business centers within 500km around BRU.
I would hope that the huge buildings of PWC, Deloitte and consorts get a better use than now .
The BRU team will be reviewed with probably foreign and more dynamic managers.

[Conti764]

Today it is announced that Flanders Government becomes major sbare holder of BRU airport.
They buy out Canadians.
Good thing. Now the Airport can develop in a more professional way.

Yes I also think it's good,the airport is too strategic to leave it in private hands.

It was already majority-owned by public entities, not necessarily Belgian ones. The Ontario Teachers Pension Plan is an offshoot of Ontario's provincial government. OTPP's objective was to maximize returns from its investment in the airport for its beneficiaries, retired Ontario teachers.

That is what might change. Flanders could use the airport as a tool to maximize growth around the airport, even if it comes at a loss for the airport itself. Emphasize on "might" because I actually don't know what the plan is, and Flanders' goal could be the same as OTPP's, just for different beneficiaries. In that case, it isn't clear much will change at the airport.

I generaly do not trust politicians at the helm of what's supposed to be a private company. We saw BRU making huge steps under Macquarie after quite the standstill and slow pace before the aquisition.

[Atlantis]

Yes I also think it's good,the airport is too strategic to leave it in private hands.

It was already majority-owned by public entities, not necessarily Belgian ones. The Ontario Teachers Pension Plan is an offshoot of Ontario's provincial government. OTPP's objective was to maximize returns from its investment in the airport for its beneficiaries, retired Ontario teachers.

That is what might change. Flanders could use the airport as a tool to maximize growth around the airport, even if it comes at a loss for the airport itself. Emphasize on "might" because I actually don't know what the plan is, and Flanders' goal could be the same as OTPP's, just for different beneficiaries. In that case, it isn't clear much will change at the airport.

I generaly do not trust politicians at the helm of what's supposed to be a private company. We saw BRU making huge steps under Macquarie after quite the standstill and slow pace before the aquisition.

Exactly, I full agree with you.
I believe there is a hidden agenda. Bcs at this point they are shareholder and at the same time also the ruler. Contradictory.
BRU was always used as a play ball. Nothing was taken seriously. I believe that this will be more Flemish against Federal. BRU can only lose in this case.
Just like Conti764, I don't trust politicians who owns but also has to decide

[Conti764]

We will soon know more of the Flemish government plans. Expansion of long haul is certainly a priority, and not only to African destinations.

Why would the Flemish government being the majority shareholder change anything? Why would that change operator's minds wether to fly to BRU or not?

Pier A west will come to surface again

Pier A West is in the freezer and will stay there for a long time. M-P Diependaele said nothing about investments, but foresaw the dividents outgroing the interest from in the next few years.

as well as more hi speed train connections to and from major business centers within 500km around BRU.

Again, why would having the Flemish government as majority shareholder change Eurostar/DB/... mindset about making a fairly big detour through BRU? You're just dreaming out loud...

I would hope that the huge buildings of PWC, Deloitte and consorts get a better use than now .

Sure, cut the goose with the golden eggs neck. Compass and Passport probably are two of the most rewarding investments BAC has made the past decades, allowing them to build the terminal expansion and the renewed arrivals hall. No reason at all to use those two buildings for anything else then what they are used for today.

The BRU team will be reviewed with probably foreign and more dynamic managers.

Ah, there you have it... Jovan's tiresome crusade against current BAC management. Arnaut Feist and his team are doing a good job.

[Conti764]

It was already majority-owned by public entities, not necessarily Belgian ones. The Ontario Teachers Pension Plan is an offshoot of Ontario's provincial government. OTPP's objective was to maximize returns from its investment in the airport for its beneficiaries, retired Ontario teachers.

That is what might change. Flanders could use the airport as a tool to maximize growth around the airport, even if it comes at a loss for the airport itself. Emphasize on "might" because I actually don't know what the plan is, and Flanders' goal could be the same as OTPP's, just for different beneficiaries. In that case, it isn't clear much will change at the airport.

I generaly do not trust politicians at the helm of what's supposed to be a private company. We saw BRU making huge steps under Macquarie after quite the standstill and slow pace before the aquisition.

Exactly, I full agree with you.
I believe there is a hidden agenda. Bcs at this point they are shareholder and at the same time also the ruler. Contradictory.
BRU was always used as a play ball. Nothing was taken seriously. I believe that this will be more Flemish against Federal. BRU can only lose in this case.
Just like Conti764, I don't trust politicians who owns but also has to decide

Unfortunately Macquarie didn't step back in. The government taking the majority share in BRU isn't good news at all.