BRU: monthly pax, cargo and movement figures

[larsV]

In the past TG code shared with SN on BRU - BKK. And several european destinations and New York from SN
This codeshare does not seem to be there anymore.

[JOVAN2]

If you would just check the Brussels Airport Infrastructure thread, you could read this:

"Last Monday, Brussels Airport opened 4 new airbridges at Pier B. Those are called MARS, Multiple Aircraft Ramp
System.
This allows to handle 2 wide body, or 4 narrow body or 1 wide body and 2 narrow body at the same location.

This is a huge step forward in the connectivity and Hub functions of the airport as well as comfort for the passengers. Boarding and de-boarding will be much faster.

The MARS are different then the other newly build, single or double bridges, at the B pier.

This means also that more planes can be handled instead of building a new concourse."

But of course it's easier to just go on whining....

Thanks for info.
Atlantis already mentioned under Infrastructure discussion.
Good investment i hope.

This discussion is about the (very low) number of Transfer PAX for BRU and SN.
Hopefully it will improve with TG and SQ coming back to BRU. But the poor EU network of SN is a tremendous handicap.

Transfer pax is partially also related to code share agreements. SN on their flights to Africa they have a very nice amount of code share partners. The Gulf carriers also.
But if we have a look at Air Canada, United from Washington, Hainan Airlines, Singapore Airlines and Thai they have no code share partners at all. That's one part and this is really depending on the airline itself. I said partially bcs of course you can book a flight and transfer on another airport if if there is no code sharing.
SQ is flying to BRU since this year but no big increase in transfer.

Next year there will be more long hauls like the return of Atlanta and Hong Kong. In 2025 there will be even more long haul than before 2019. As from September 2025 you can compare the same month with a year earlier. Then you can see the increase.

If we now already would compare Nov 24 vs Nov 23 than we can see that there was an increase of 7K transfer pax

On 21.03.24 it was mentioned on Aeroroutes that SQ would start code sharing with SN to different
Cities.
Berlin,Copenhagen,Hamburg, Lisbon,Madrid, Oslo,Stockholm, Vienns...
That is a nice group of destinations.

Apparently BRU and SN have not done a lot about this collaboration.

[Atlantis]

Thanks for info.
Atlantis already mentioned under Infrastructure discussion.
Good investment i hope.

This discussion is about the (very low) number of Transfer PAX for BRU and SN.
Hopefully it will improve with TG and SQ coming back to BRU. But the poor EU network of SN is a tremendous handicap.

Transfer pax is partially also related to code share agreements. SN on their flights to Africa they have a very nice amount of code share partners. The Gulf carriers also.
But if we have a look at Air Canada, United from Washington, Hainan Airlines, Singapore Airlines and Thai they have no code share partners at all. That's one part and this is really depending on the airline itself. I said partially bcs of course you can book a flight and transfer on another airport if if there is no code sharing.
SQ is flying to BRU since this year but no big increase in transfer.

Next year there will be more long hauls like the return of Atlanta and Hong Kong. In 2025 there will be even more long haul than before 2019. As from September 2025 you can compare the same month with a year earlier. Then you can see the increase.

If we now already would compare Nov 24 vs Nov 23 than we can see that there was an increase of 7K transfer pax

On 21.03.24 it was mentioned on Aeroroutes that SQ would start code sharing with SN to different
Cities.
Berlin,Copenhagen,Hamburg, Lisbon,Madrid, Oslo,Stockholm, Vienns...
That is a nice group of destinations.

Apparently BRU and SN have not done a lot about this collaboration.

Aeroroutes is not always reliable. Maybe in the future. But this is between airlines

[JOVAN2]

Transfer pax is partially also related to code share agreements. SN on their flights to Africa they have a very nice amount of code share partners. The Gulf carriers also.
But if we have a look at Air Canada, United from Washington, Hainan Airlines, Singapore Airlines and Thai they have no code share partners at all. That's one part and this is really depending on the airline itself. I said partially bcs of course you can book a flight and transfer on another airport if if there is no code sharing.
SQ is flying to BRU since this year but no big increase in transfer.

Next year there will be more long hauls like the return of Atlanta and Hong Kong. In 2025 there will be even more long haul than before 2019. As from September 2025 you can compare the same month with a year earlier. Then you can see the increase.

If we now already would compare Nov 24 vs Nov 23 than we can see that there was an increase of 7K transfer pax

On 21.03.24 it was mentioned on Aeroroutes that SQ would start code sharing with SN to different
Cities.
Berlin,Copenhagen,Hamburg, Lisbon,Madrid, Oslo,Stockholm, Vienns...
That is a nice group of destinations.

Apparently BRU and SN have not done a lot about this collaboration.

Aeroroutes is not always reliable. Maybe in the future. But this is between airlines

Have a look at SQ website.

[rwandan-flyer]

Transfer pax is partially also related to code share agreements. SN on their flights to Africa they have a very nice amount of code share partners. The Gulf carriers also.
But if we have a look at Air Canada, United from Washington, Hainan Airlines, Singapore Airlines and Thai they have no code share partners at all. That's one part and this is really depending on the airline itself. I said partially bcs of course you can book a flight and transfer on another airport if if there is no code sharing.
SQ is flying to BRU since this year but no big increase in transfer.

Next year there will be more long hauls like the return of Atlanta and Hong Kong. In 2025 there will be even more long haul than before 2019. As from September 2025 you can compare the same month with a year earlier. Then you can see the increase.

If we now already would compare Nov 24 vs Nov 23 than we can see that there was an increase of 7K transfer pax

On 21.03.24 it was mentioned on Aeroroutes that SQ would start code sharing with SN to different
Cities.
Berlin,Copenhagen,Hamburg, Lisbon,Madrid, Oslo,Stockholm, Vienns...
That is a nice group of destinations.

Apparently BRU and SN have not done a lot about this collaboration.

Aeroroutes is not always reliable. Maybe in the future. But this is between airlines

Main sources for Aeroroutes are from OAG or GDS such as Amadeus. And if you see on both website SN and SQ. Yes they have a code share agreement since 2011. But probably it was put in idle.

Singapore Airlines and Brussels Airlines Sign Codeshare Agreement

21 June 2011 - From 23 June, Singapore Airlines’ customers from the Belgian city of Brussels can fly to Singapore and beyond via three European hubs through a codeshare agreement with Brussels Airlines.

Brussels Airlines, which offers the widest choice of flights from Belgium, will add the ‘SQ’ designator code on six weekly flights between Brussels and Barcelona, 24 weekly flights between Brussels and London and 12 weekly flights between Brussels and Milan. https://www.singaporeair.com/th_TH/th/m ... n2011-1629

https://www.singaporeair.com/en_UK/sg/p ... -partners/
Codeshare destinations with Brussels Airlines

Routes

Brussels ↔ Barcelona
Brussels ↔ Berlin
Brussels ↔ Hamburg
Brussels ↔ Vienna
Brussels ↔ Lisbon
Brussels ↔ London


Brussels ↔ Copenhagen
Brussels ↔ Madrid
Brussels ↔ Milan
Brussels ↔ Munich
Brussels ↔ Oslo

Brussels Airlines extends its flight network by co-operating with a range of quality airlines to offer codeshare flights. With a codeshare flight the booking is made with Brussels Airlines, and the flight is carried out by the relevant partner airline. This cooperation with renowned partners enables Brussels Airlines to offer its passengers a greater selection and more flexibility for their flights, while at the same time, access to the world's major airlines is opened. https://www.brusselsairlines.com/fr/en/ ... e-partners

[longwings]

But if we have a look at Air Canada, United from Washington, Hainan Airlines, Singapore Airlines and Thai they have no code share partners at all.

I think you're better informed than that and you mistyped. There is extensive code-sharing between Brussels, Air Canada, and United. Brussels has their code on their partners' TATL flights (incl. IAD) and connecting flights to key cities in Canada and the US, and Air Canada and United both have their code on African and select European flights. My last trip was coincidentally the perfect example. Air Canada flights via FRA one way, Brussels flights via ORD the other.

I can't speak to the other carriers, but I would be surprised if Brussels doesn't have a code on the Singapore flights.

[sn26567]

UA has indeed its code on many SN flights: within Europe, transatlantic and to Africa. But the reverse is not true: I don't see any UA transatlantic flight (to EWR, ORD, IAD) codesharing with SN.

With AC, the situation is more balanced. The AC transatlantic flights are codeshared with SN, and many SN flights also carry an AC code.

[Atlantis]

But if we have a look at Air Canada, United from Washington, Hainan Airlines, Singapore Airlines and Thai they have no code share partners at all.

I think you're better informed than that and you mistyped. There is extensive code-sharing between Brussels, Air Canada, and United. Brussels has their code on their partners' TATL flights (incl. IAD) and connecting flights to key cities in Canada and the US, and Air Canada and United both have their code on African and select European flights. My last trip was coincidentally the perfect example. Air Canada flights via FRA one way, Brussels flights via ORD the other.

I can't speak to the other carriers, but I would be surprised if Brussels doesn't have a code on the Singapore flights.

I know, UA, AC and HU has a lot of code shares on European and African flights of SN.

What I meant is that on flights with UA from ORD, EWR and IAD are no code shares at all. Also on the flight from Montreal with AC is no code share.
Also on the flight from BKK with TG is no code share.
On the flight from SIN with SQ is also no code share

[RoMax]

The UA and AC flights BRU-NATL are also sold under SN codes (e.g. on this seasons flights SN8801, SN8803, SN8807, SN9551)

[longwings]

What I meant is that on flights with UA from ORD, EWR and IAD are no code shares at all. Also on the flight from Montreal with AC is no code share.
Also on the flight from BKK with TG is no code share.
On the flight from SIN with SQ is also no code share

For the TATL flights, RoMax above already provided the SN codes on the AC and UA flights. In addition, Brussels puts its code on key domestic connections in Canada and the US, e.g. SN9669 YUL-YWG or SN882 EWR-LAX. Brussels even uses some of Air Canada's transborder flights, like SN9599 from YUL to LAX.

If they indeed don't have their code on Thai or Singapore flights, I hope that is a temporary situation and they will eventually, because otherwise I'd agree it's a huge missed opportunity.

[convair]

What I meant is that on flights with UA from ORD, EWR and IAD are no code shares at all. Also on the flight from Montreal with AC is no code share.
Also on the flight from BKK with TG is no code share.
On the flight from SIN with SQ is also no code share

For the TATL flights, RoMax above already provided the SN codes on the AC and UA flights. In addition, Brussels puts its code on key domestic connections in Canada and the US, e.g. SN9669 YUL-YWG or SN882 EWR-LAX. Brussels even uses some of Air Canada's transborder flights, like SN9599 from YUL to LAX.

If they indeed don't have their code on Thai or Singapore flights, I hope that is a temporary situation and they will eventually, because otherwise I'd agree it's a huge missed opportunity.

Let's be precise: looking at today's departures, there was an SN number on AC's to YUL; but not on UA's flights to ORD, EWR, nor IAD.
Same for UA's ORD, EWR and IAD flights arriving BRU. AC's flights from YUL arriving BRU have no SN code either for the next few days.

[RoMax]

Let's be precise: looking at today's departures, there was an SN number on AC's to YUL; but not on UA's flights to ORD, EWR, nor IAD.
Same for UA's ORD, EWR and IAD flights arriving BRU. AC's flights from YUL arriving BRU have no SN code either for the next few days.

Yet those flights are bookable on SN website under SN codes. While the website of BRU doesn't show any codeshare on those flights, websites of e.g. EWR and ORD do show SN codes (and others) on those flights.

[convair]

Let's be precise: looking at today's departures, there was an SN number on AC's to YUL; but not on UA's flights to ORD, EWR, nor IAD.
Same for UA's ORD, EWR and IAD flights arriving BRU. AC's flights from YUL arriving BRU have no SN code either for the next few days.

Yet those flights are bookable on SN website under SN codes. While the website of BRU doesn't show any codeshare on those flights, websites of e.g. EWR and ORD do show SN codes (and others) on those flights.

Thanks RoMax, I know you're usually well informed. SN communication is often incomplete, unfortunately.

[fcw]

Thanks RoMax, I know you're usually well informed.

The opposite would be quite surprising.

[DannyVDB]

BRU had a press communication a few days ago stating that between 20/12/2024 and 5/01/2025 the number of pax for this period would increase from 850.000 (last winter) to more than 1.000.000.

That is a 17% increase and even a higher number than the figure from winter 2019 which was 988.000 ...

This is really a big surge and is promising for the figures of 2025. I assume BRU will end 2024 with around 23.6 million pax. Next year reaching the 25,0 million mark (which is still a lot below 2019 figures: 26.36 million)?

Personally I think many people want to escape to sunny places because this winter is extra 'dark', i.e. there is hardly sunshine I will keep it simple driving for a 5 days break to Metz/Nancy

Cheers,
Danny

[Atlantis]

BRU had a press communication a few days ago stating that between 20/12/2024 and 5/01/2025 the number of pax for this period would increase from 850.000 (last winter) to more than 1.000.000.

That is a 17% increase and even a higher number than the figure from winter 2019 which was 988.000 ...

This is really a big surge and is promising for the figures of 2025. I assume BRU will end 2024 with around 23.6 million pax. Next year reaching the 25,0 million mark (which is still a lot below 2019 figures: 26.36 million)?

Personally I think many people want to escape to sunny places because this winter is extra 'dark', i.e. there is hardly sunshine I will keep it simple driving for a 5 days break to Metz/Nancy

Cheers,
Danny

This year it will be between 23.5M and 23.6M pax. This would mean a yearly increase of 1.3M to 1.4M pax more if you compare with last year.
The prognose made in 2021, because there is always a prognose for the next 5 to 6 years, was that this year we should have reached already the 25M pax. But that's why it is a prognose. You never can predict a war, cancelled flights to certain countries bcs of war, etc. And the fact that flights intra EU are still far behind.

It is, however, a must that the 25M pax mark will be reached next year. Seeing the much more long haul and new and more EU flights should stimulated this.

[longwings]

It is, however, a must that the 25M pax mark will be reached next year. Seeing the much more long haul and new and more EU flights should stimulated this.

(genuine question) Why is it a must?

[JOVAN2]

It is, however, a must that the 25M pax mark will be reached next year. Seeing the much more long haul and new and more EU flights should stimulated this.

(genuine question) Why is it a must?

In normal business life a reasonable growrth, happy customers and personnel and happy neighbours is considered normal.
BRU aims only at making shareholders happy.
That becomes also difficult without raisonable.growth. To see BRU running behind more and more vs competitors is sad.
They need a serious wake-up call.

[Established02]

It is, however, a must that the 25M pax mark will be reached next year. Seeing the much more long haul and new and more EU flights should stimulated this.

On the other hand, the EU is determined to put considerably higher taxes on air travel in the upcoming years as a consequence of their 'Green Deal'. Together with never-ending inflation and increasing poverty in society this may actually end up resulting in less passengers.
https://www.politico.eu/article/commiss ... tspot-tax/

[Atlantis]

It is, however, a must that the 25M pax mark will be reached next year. Seeing the much more long haul and new and more EU flights should stimulated this.

On the other hand, the EU is determined to put considerably higher taxes on air travel in the upcoming years as a consequence of their 'Green Deal'. Together with never-ending inflation and increasing poverty in society this may actually end up resulting in less passengers.
https://www.politico.eu/article/commiss ... tspot-tax/

First of all, happy New Year to you all

SN is going to increase already the fares. But the extra fares which has to be paid in Belgium are peanuts if you compare with the neighbour countries. There it is at least 3 to 4 times more expensive. Much more Dutch people are looking over the border.
The Belgians will not fly less for a few euros more.

Second. The prices are more up in the West than in the East. There they refuse to count those extras as they give as a reason that it's bad for their economy. Who can blame them? Europe is not equal. The East is pressing a lot and they get what they want including a mega airport.

The person who wants to pass this bill is Dutch, the same who wants to kill AMS.

How much you can trust them...