High time to create this new topic about the monthly figures.
This time, we have to be critical. The figures are not what it should be. Only 4% increase when you compare with the same month of last year AND a decrease when you compare with the previous month. This is not good at all.
Main reason is a big drop in pax figures within Europe. Meaning, less European flights. Those are the feeders to the intercontinental flights. Only 4% while we have new flights to Singapore, Nairobi and Shanghai. It seems that they cannot lift up enough the weak European flights.
Another reason is the weak home carrier. Around 35% market share is not good. They are secured with the money travel agencies pay them for the many holiday flights but if this is the biggest part of your flights or business plan, we can have a problem. We are not competitive anymore. Or you are a hybrid leisure airline or a business airline.
I compare again with WAW, they had a record June month. In their whole history they had for the first time more then 2 million pax in a month. They are now close to 10 million pax for the first 6 months. WAW is much smaller as BRU but they have a dominant home carrier.
BRU and SN it's time to wake up. Don't rely on the awards you win. It's in the field that we see that it is too calm at the airport
BRU: monthly pax, cargo and movement figures
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Re: BRU: monthly pax, cargo and movement figures
You forgot some elements :
1st.
There are more flights from Warsaw to Amsterdam and Paris Cdg than from Brussels. Up to 7 flights a day to Paris Cdg, up to 8 fllights a day to Amsterdam. Only 2 flights a day between Bru and CDG and 4 flights a day between AMS and BRU. Brussels is too close (and well linked to their airports via the train) from these cities to have almost 10 flights a day.
2nd
Competition is very low on intra East European routes. Ballkan, Malev and Adria have closed their doors. Croatia Airlines, CSA, TAROM and Bulgarian have a small network. LOT is the only hub for the region. They serve some secondaries cities in Romania and in Czech Republic. Thus it's not a suprise to see Croatia Airlines, TAROM, Bulgarian, CSA Czech which don't serve Warsaw.
3rd
The huge presence of Wizz Air which enables to WAW to get more trafic on many routes where the point to point demand is high, depsite the competition from hub and spoke airlines.
4th
Warsaw has a big domestic network : 9 destinations in 2023 for 1 500 000 pax. What about Brussels ? 0 destinations but 916 (some charters flights).
5th
Like Royal Air Maroc which has built a strong hub for the Africa market, when Morroco and UE have signed on open sky agreement. To avoid the collapsing, LOT has has developed a strong hub between North America and East of Europe and between West Europe and Asia. The weak of the competition in the region has helped them
Domestic passengers WAW vs BRU : https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrows ... le?lang=en
Extra UE passengers WAW vs BRU https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrows ... le?lang=en
UE passengers WAW vs BRU. https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrows ... le?lang=en
Almost the same level, but BRU is ahead.
But as i have said. They is less competition in East of Europe than in West of Europe. Wizz Air enables to bring more capacity on some routes and the hub of WAW enables to LOT to feed many routes where the competition is stong or low. Brussels is well linked to Amsterdam and Paris by the train, so don't need to have almost 10 flights a day. The competition is stiff with Paris, Amsterdam and London not too far.
1st.
There are more flights from Warsaw to Amsterdam and Paris Cdg than from Brussels. Up to 7 flights a day to Paris Cdg, up to 8 fllights a day to Amsterdam. Only 2 flights a day between Bru and CDG and 4 flights a day between AMS and BRU. Brussels is too close (and well linked to their airports via the train) from these cities to have almost 10 flights a day.
2nd
Competition is very low on intra East European routes. Ballkan, Malev and Adria have closed their doors. Croatia Airlines, CSA, TAROM and Bulgarian have a small network. LOT is the only hub for the region. They serve some secondaries cities in Romania and in Czech Republic. Thus it's not a suprise to see Croatia Airlines, TAROM, Bulgarian, CSA Czech which don't serve Warsaw.
3rd
The huge presence of Wizz Air which enables to WAW to get more trafic on many routes where the point to point demand is high, depsite the competition from hub and spoke airlines.
4th
Warsaw has a big domestic network : 9 destinations in 2023 for 1 500 000 pax. What about Brussels ? 0 destinations but 916 (some charters flights).
5th
Like Royal Air Maroc which has built a strong hub for the Africa market, when Morroco and UE have signed on open sky agreement. To avoid the collapsing, LOT has has developed a strong hub between North America and East of Europe and between West Europe and Asia. The weak of the competition in the region has helped them
Domestic passengers WAW vs BRU : https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrows ... le?lang=en
Extra UE passengers WAW vs BRU https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrows ... le?lang=en
UE passengers WAW vs BRU. https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrows ... le?lang=en
Almost the same level, but BRU is ahead.
But as i have said. They is less competition in East of Europe than in West of Europe. Wizz Air enables to bring more capacity on some routes and the hub of WAW enables to LOT to feed many routes where the competition is stong or low. Brussels is well linked to Amsterdam and Paris by the train, so don't need to have almost 10 flights a day. The competition is stiff with Paris, Amsterdam and London not too far.
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Re: BRU: monthly pax, cargo and movement figures
I agree with certain of your points. For sure Poland is the most developed and more richer than most of their neighbor countries. They can be seen as the hub in central and East Europe. On the other side, WAW has a lot seasonal flights. Try to find a direct flight as from October and you will see its a nightmare. For a lot of flights you have to go to FRA or MUC to reach a certain destination.
BUT you also have to look about the earnings of Poles. Still 3 to 4 times less than in Belgium BUT prices are very similar. Meaning that it harms Poles much more to take the plane. Exactly, they prefer to take Wizzair. How many of them are member of it to receive the discounts of 20%? It's a lot.
Poland is of course also the country with hundreds of shared service centers in Warsaw, Lodz, Wrocław and Cracow and this mainly by Western companies. That's why traffic is huge on those lines.
Also a lot of Poles are living in the UK, NL, BE, FR and DE, they have thus also a lot VFR traffic.
But to come back to the main topic is that a lot of traffic disappeared between Covid and now at BRU.
Last year alone 800.000 pax less than prognosed. This year for sure the 24 million will not be reached.
In general something is not good and we really feel this. Also DL is flying seasonal to NY. This means that at the beginning of the year there are no DL flights. While before Covid, 2 flights a day.
I hope better times will come with much better figures bcs now you cannot be satisfied. This is the peak of the year, the months you earn the most
BUT you also have to look about the earnings of Poles. Still 3 to 4 times less than in Belgium BUT prices are very similar. Meaning that it harms Poles much more to take the plane. Exactly, they prefer to take Wizzair. How many of them are member of it to receive the discounts of 20%? It's a lot.
Poland is of course also the country with hundreds of shared service centers in Warsaw, Lodz, Wrocław and Cracow and this mainly by Western companies. That's why traffic is huge on those lines.
Also a lot of Poles are living in the UK, NL, BE, FR and DE, they have thus also a lot VFR traffic.
But to come back to the main topic is that a lot of traffic disappeared between Covid and now at BRU.
Last year alone 800.000 pax less than prognosed. This year for sure the 24 million will not be reached.
In general something is not good and we really feel this. Also DL is flying seasonal to NY. This means that at the beginning of the year there are no DL flights. While before Covid, 2 flights a day.
I hope better times will come with much better figures bcs now you cannot be satisfied. This is the peak of the year, the months you earn the most
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Re: BRU: monthly pax, cargo and movement figures
The O & D (origin and departures) with United Stats is quite low, if we compare to some others big cities in Europe
JFK BRU is the largest point to point market:
BRU JFK : 87 732 pax
JFK BRU : 80 752 pax
It's quite high but it's include the trafic with all airlines serving Brussels and which provide flights between JFK and BRU. At least a dozen including the airlines providing non stop flights: Delta, Brussels Airlines. January, Febraury and March are the lowest season for US travelers. Here are some O & D between USA and Brussels
Washington Brussels : 26 649 pax
Brussels Washington : 21 445 pax
Los Angeles Brussels : 20 204 pax
Brussels Los Angeles : 17 841 pax
Boston Brussels : 17 122 pax
Brussels Boston : 16 027
Miami Brussels : 16 335 pax
Brussels Miami : 14 559 pax
Chicago Brussels : 16 192 pax
Brussels Chicago : 15 218 pax
Without the Brussels Airlines hub, i m not sure that Brussels Airport could have a similar network to United States, because US Airlines need to have a lots of connecting pax via their hubs JFK, EWR or Chicago. And the O & D are not very big. But if we add the connecting with Africa and probably a part of the network in Europe, the flights btw USA and BRU can have good loadfactor.
About Asia, the demand is there but it's quite low if once again we compare with others big cities in Europe.
It will be probably hard for BRU to attract many long haul airlines or to see Brussels Airlines opening a new long haul route each year. Probably an Asian will open a new route in XXX1 and in XXX3 Brussels Airlines will open a new long haul route and then in XXX5 an US airline opens a new route.
It won't be like at Paris where in a year and a half : JetBlue has opened 2 routes, Qantas will back tomorrow after 20 years of hiatus, T Way from South Korean will start to serve Paris from Aug24.
JFK BRU is the largest point to point market:
BRU JFK : 87 732 pax
JFK BRU : 80 752 pax
It's quite high but it's include the trafic with all airlines serving Brussels and which provide flights between JFK and BRU. At least a dozen including the airlines providing non stop flights: Delta, Brussels Airlines. January, Febraury and March are the lowest season for US travelers. Here are some O & D between USA and Brussels
Washington Brussels : 26 649 pax
Brussels Washington : 21 445 pax
Los Angeles Brussels : 20 204 pax
Brussels Los Angeles : 17 841 pax
Boston Brussels : 17 122 pax
Brussels Boston : 16 027
Miami Brussels : 16 335 pax
Brussels Miami : 14 559 pax
Chicago Brussels : 16 192 pax
Brussels Chicago : 15 218 pax
Without the Brussels Airlines hub, i m not sure that Brussels Airport could have a similar network to United States, because US Airlines need to have a lots of connecting pax via their hubs JFK, EWR or Chicago. And the O & D are not very big. But if we add the connecting with Africa and probably a part of the network in Europe, the flights btw USA and BRU can have good loadfactor.
About Asia, the demand is there but it's quite low if once again we compare with others big cities in Europe.
It will be probably hard for BRU to attract many long haul airlines or to see Brussels Airlines opening a new long haul route each year. Probably an Asian will open a new route in XXX1 and in XXX3 Brussels Airlines will open a new long haul route and then in XXX5 an US airline opens a new route.
It won't be like at Paris where in a year and a half : JetBlue has opened 2 routes, Qantas will back tomorrow after 20 years of hiatus, T Way from South Korean will start to serve Paris from Aug24.
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Re: BRU: monthly pax, cargo and movement figures
Regarding long haul, DL is only on 50% bcs ATL is missing. But in total is even lower bcs JFK is not dailyrwandan-flyer wrote: ↑12 Jul 2024, 22:39 The O & D (origin and departures) with United Stats is quite low, if we compare to some others big cities in Europe
JFK BRU is the largest point to point market:
BRU JFK : 87 732 pax
JFK BRU : 80 752 pax
It's quite high but it's include the trafic with all airlines serving Brussels and which provide flights between JFK and BRU. At least a dozen including the airlines providing non stop flights: Delta, Brussels Airlines. January, Febraury and March are the lowest season for US travelers. Here are some O & D between USA and Brussels
Washington Brussels : 26 649 pax
Brussels Washington : 21 445 pax
Los Angeles Brussels : 20 204 pax
Brussels Los Angeles : 17 841 pax
Boston Brussels : 17 122 pax
Brussels Boston : 16 027
Miami Brussels : 16 335 pax
Brussels Miami : 14 559 pax
Chicago Brussels : 16 192 pax
Brussels Chicago : 15 218 pax
Without the Brussels Airlines hub, i m not sure that Brussels Airport could have a similar network to United States, because US Airlines need to have a lots of connecting pax via their hubs JFK, EWR or Chicago. And the O & D are not very big. But if we add the connecting with Africa and probably a part of the network in Europe, the flights btw USA and BRU can have good loadfactor.
About Asia, the demand is there but it's quite low if once again we compare with others big cities in Europe.
It will be probably hard for BRU to attract many long haul airlines or to see Brussels Airlines opening a new long haul route each year. Probably an Asian will open a new route in XXX1 and in XXX3 Brussels Airlines will open a new long haul route and then in XXX5 an US airline opens a new route.
It won't be like at Paris where in a year and a half : JetBlue has opened 2 routes, Qantas will back tomorrow after 20 years of hiatus, T Way from South Korean will start to serve Paris from Aug24.
Cathay is still missing
ANA is still not daily, only 2 weekly flights.
Re: BRU: monthly pax, cargo and movement figures
At the same time... as Macron would say...THAI will return daily ( never exist ), Shangaï has returned with Hainan, Juneyao is new and Singapore has returned after 20 years of absence...Not too bad for a single year 2024Atlantis wrote: ↑12 Jul 2024, 23:00Regarding long haul, DL is only on 50% bcs ATL is missing. But in total is even lower bcs JFK is not dailyrwandan-flyer wrote: ↑12 Jul 2024, 22:39 The O & D (origin and departures) with United Stats is quite low, if we compare to some others big cities in Europe
JFK BRU is the largest point to point market:
BRU JFK : 87 732 pax
JFK BRU : 80 752 pax
It's quite high but it's include the trafic with all airlines serving Brussels and which provide flights between JFK and BRU. At least a dozen including the airlines providing non stop flights: Delta, Brussels Airlines. January, Febraury and March are the lowest season for US travelers. Here are some O & D between USA and Brussels
Washington Brussels : 26 649 pax
Brussels Washington : 21 445 pax
Los Angeles Brussels : 20 204 pax
Brussels Los Angeles : 17 841 pax
Boston Brussels : 17 122 pax
Brussels Boston : 16 027
Miami Brussels : 16 335 pax
Brussels Miami : 14 559 pax
Chicago Brussels : 16 192 pax
Brussels Chicago : 15 218 pax
Without the Brussels Airlines hub, i m not sure that Brussels Airport could have a similar network to United States, because US Airlines need to have a lots of connecting pax via their hubs JFK, EWR or Chicago. And the O & D are not very big. But if we add the connecting with Africa and probably a part of the network in Europe, the flights btw USA and BRU can have good loadfactor.
About Asia, the demand is there but it's quite low if once again we compare with others big cities in Europe.
It will be probably hard for BRU to attract many long haul airlines or to see Brussels Airlines opening a new long haul route each year. Probably an Asian will open a new route in XXX1 and in XXX3 Brussels Airlines will open a new long haul route and then in XXX5 an US airline opens a new route.
It won't be like at Paris where in a year and a half : JetBlue has opened 2 routes, Qantas will back tomorrow after 20 years of hiatus, T Way from South Korean will start to serve Paris from Aug24.
Cathay is still missing
ANA is still not daily, only 2 weekly flights.
Re: BRU: monthly pax, cargo and movement figures
Hi all,
I think that the 'lower than expected' figures for June relate also to the fact that the first two weeks of June SN had still less long haul flights as compared to last year (6-7 flights/day). Only the second half of the month they started to have 9 flights a day (long haul).
Also not sure about the figures for the new connections (e.g. Shanghai, Singapore).
I also would not underestimate the fact that some big organizations (including mine, which has around 24.000 staff) changed policies regarding flying, in Eastern Europe, or even in the Netherlands I do not know about similar changes.
Two examples of this: one big university in Flanders decided that their personnel should take the train in Europe, not the plane, while in our own organization the travel office(s) must always offer also train options and on certain connections planes are even a 'no-go' (and we are a very big user of BRU). Second example is that in some of our European projects we decided not to have all our project meetings physically, but remotely, so potentially bringing the number of flights down with 50%.
Finally I also think Belgians still fly a lot less than our neighbors (has always been the case), many of them going on holidays with the car, etc.
The argument of BRU being in the middle of - and very close to - Paris, Amsterdam and London is certainly true, but that has always been the case. I remember some statistics of 25 years ago that on the BRU-London routes were around 1.4 million annual pax, now that will be only a fraction of it (because the high speed train). Sabena was sending the A321 to Amsterdam! etc.
Just my 2 cents
Cheers,
Danny
I think that the 'lower than expected' figures for June relate also to the fact that the first two weeks of June SN had still less long haul flights as compared to last year (6-7 flights/day). Only the second half of the month they started to have 9 flights a day (long haul).
Also not sure about the figures for the new connections (e.g. Shanghai, Singapore).
I also would not underestimate the fact that some big organizations (including mine, which has around 24.000 staff) changed policies regarding flying, in Eastern Europe, or even in the Netherlands I do not know about similar changes.
Two examples of this: one big university in Flanders decided that their personnel should take the train in Europe, not the plane, while in our own organization the travel office(s) must always offer also train options and on certain connections planes are even a 'no-go' (and we are a very big user of BRU). Second example is that in some of our European projects we decided not to have all our project meetings physically, but remotely, so potentially bringing the number of flights down with 50%.
Finally I also think Belgians still fly a lot less than our neighbors (has always been the case), many of them going on holidays with the car, etc.
The argument of BRU being in the middle of - and very close to - Paris, Amsterdam and London is certainly true, but that has always been the case. I remember some statistics of 25 years ago that on the BRU-London routes were around 1.4 million annual pax, now that will be only a fraction of it (because the high speed train). Sabena was sending the A321 to Amsterdam! etc.
Just my 2 cents
Cheers,
Danny
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I agree with you Danny. There is now an atmosphere of taking less the plane and searching for other ways of travelling. You clearly can see that, in the case of BRU, business pax didn't returned back to BRU like it was before.DannyVDB wrote: ↑13 Jul 2024, 07:45 Hi all,
I think that the 'lower than expected' figures for June relate also to the fact that the first two weeks of June SN had still less long haul flights as compared to last year (6-7 flights/day). Only the second half of the month they started to have 9 flights a day (long haul).
Also not sure about the figures for the new connections (e.g. Shanghai, Singapore).
I also would not underestimate the fact that some big organizations (including mine, which has around 24.000 staff) changed policies regarding flying, in Eastern Europe, or even in the Netherlands I do not know about similar changes.
Two examples of this: one big university in Flanders decided that their personnel should take the train in Europe, not the plane, while in our own organization the travel office(s) must always offer also train options and on certain connections planes are even a 'no-go' (and we are a very big user of BRU). Second example is that in some of our European projects we decided not to have all our project meetings physically, but remotely, so potentially bringing the number of flights down with 50%.
Finally I also think Belgians still fly a lot less than our neighbors (has always been the case), many of them going on holidays with the car, etc.
The argument of BRU being in the middle of - and very close to - Paris, Amsterdam and London is certainly true, but that has always been the case. I remember some statistics of 25 years ago that on the BRU-London routes were around 1.4 million annual pax, now that will be only a fraction of it (because the high speed train). Sabena was sending the A321 to Amsterdam! etc.
Just my 2 cents
Cheers,
Danny
Even SN was flying less long haul, it was not compensated by the fact that Singapore Airlines is back and Hainan started the third destination.
But it's not only SN regarding the European flights. Also Lufthansa and Scandinavian airlines cutted many European flights including to BRU
Re: BRU: monthly pax, cargo and movement figures
Also PVG with HU started only 18/06.
These 7 flights in June can't make a difference imo.
But it's true, the figures are still to low due to several reasons.
These 7 flights in June can't make a difference imo.
But it's true, the figures are still to low due to several reasons.
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Hi all,
Not sure whether this belongs here, but I saw that tomorrow DL will have two flights to JFK:
- The 'regular' one leaving BRU at 10:45am (DL 141)
- An additional one leaving BRU already at 08:10 am (DL9898). The flight from Ney York is today, so it stays overnight in BRU
Does anyone know about this special flight / charter / ...?
Cheers,
Danny
Not sure whether this belongs here, but I saw that tomorrow DL will have two flights to JFK:
- The 'regular' one leaving BRU at 10:45am (DL 141)
- An additional one leaving BRU already at 08:10 am (DL9898). The flight from Ney York is today, so it stays overnight in BRU
Does anyone know about this special flight / charter / ...?
Cheers,
Danny
Re: BRU: monthly pax, cargo and movement figures
A wild guess: something to do with crew rest...but I really don't have a clue about what that could be.
Re: BRU: monthly pax, cargo and movement figures
Rescue flight.
Flight 140 on 7/15 was canceled. Not enough seats on alternate routes to accommodate all pax so Delta operated a second JFK-BRU on 7/16 instead. Plane couldn't then leave until 7/18 for crew rest, convair guessed correctly.
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It is good to know BRU has a project to promote itself as a HUB Airport.
Shift 27 I think is the name.
Just checked some recent PAX and transfer figures for some airport in BRU''s league.
November 2
VIE. 2.200K. 470K Transfer. 20%
ZRH. 2.190K. 694K. tr 30%
CPH 1.990K. 350K. tr 18%
BRU. 1.750K. 124K ........7%....
We have now TG, SQ,CX ...AA...back in 2025.
Maybe that will help to improve figures.
But present figures are really below standard.
Had no idea it was soo poor.
Shift 27 I think is the name.
Just checked some recent PAX and transfer figures for some airport in BRU''s league.
November 2
VIE. 2.200K. 470K Transfer. 20%
ZRH. 2.190K. 694K. tr 30%
CPH 1.990K. 350K. tr 18%
BRU. 1.750K. 124K ........7%....
We have now TG, SQ,CX ...AA...back in 2025.
Maybe that will help to improve figures.
But present figures are really below standard.
Had no idea it was soo poor.
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American back in 2025 ?JOVAN2 wrote: ↑18 Dec 2024, 22:37 It is good to know BRU has a project to promote itself as a HUB Airport.
Shift 27 I think is the name.
Just checked some recent PAX and transfer figures for some airport in BRU''s league.
November 2
VIE. 2.200K. 470K Transfer. 20%
ZRH. 2.190K. 694K. tr 30%
CPH 1.990K. 350K. tr 18%
BRU. 1.750K. 124K ........7%....
We have now TG, SQ,CX ...AA...back in 2025.
Maybe that will help to improve figures.
But present figures are really below standard.
Had no idea it was soo poor.
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Sorry. Atlanta with Delta.Miqvell wrote: ↑18 Dec 2024, 22:42American back in 2025 ?JOVAN2 wrote: ↑18 Dec 2024, 22:37 It is good to know BRU has a project to promote itself as a HUB Airport.
Shift 27 I think is the name.
Just checked some recent PAX and transfer figures for some airport in BRU''s league.
November 2
VIE. 2.200K. 470K Transfer. 20%
ZRH. 2.190K. 694K. tr 30%
CPH 1.990K. 350K. tr 18%
BRU. 1.750K. 124K ........7%....
We have now TG, SQ,CX ...AA...back in 2025.
Maybe that will help to improve figures.
But present figures are really below standard.
Had no idea it was soo poor.
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6 months later there is of course no big change.Atlantis wrote: ↑12 Jul 2024, 18:58 High time to create this new topic about the monthly figures.
This time, we have to be critical. The figures are not what it should be. Only 4% increase when you compare with the same month of last year AND a decrease when you compare with the previous month. This is not good at all.
Main reason is a big drop in pax figures within Europe. Meaning, less European flights. Those are the feeders to the intercontinental flights. Only 4% while we have new flights to Singapore, Nairobi and Shanghai. It seems that they cannot lift up enough the weak European flights.
Another reason is the weak home carrier. Around 35% market share is not good. They are secured with the money travel agencies pay them for the many holiday flights but if this is the biggest part of your flights or business plan, we can have a problem. We are not competitive anymore. Or you are a hybrid leisure airline or a business airline.
I compare again with WAW, they had a record June month. In their whole history they had for the first time more then 2 million pax in a month. They are now close to 10 million pax for the first 6 months. WAW is much smaller as BRU but they have a dominant home carrier.
BRU and SN it's time to wake up. Don't rely on the awards you win. It's in the field that we see that it is too calm at the airport
Indeed, intra -EU flights are very poor.
Our "home carrier" is a sleeping pussy cat; no fear or respect from the competition. SN has now more tourist than business destinations.
For tourist destination, we have already a huge choice from Charleroi. And don't forget also Eindhoven is taking a lot og PAX from Antwerp and Limburg province.
Expect CRL to have real good PAX figures this year, and BRU will have a lot of excuses (and awards ?) to be very self-satisfied.
Any new projects at BRU that are PAX -related ????
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If you would just check the Brussels Airport Infrastructure thread, you could read this:
"Last Monday, Brussels Airport opened 4 new airbridges at Pier B. Those are called MARS, Multiple Aircraft Ramp
System.
This allows to handle 2 wide body, or 4 narrow body or 1 wide body and 2 narrow body at the same location.
This is a huge step forward in the connectivity and Hub functions of the airport as well as comfort for the passengers. Boarding and de-boarding will be much faster.
The MARS are different then the other newly build, single or double bridges, at the B pier.
This means also that more planes can be handled instead of building a new concourse."
But of course it's easier to just go on whining....
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Thanks for info.YYZ727 wrote: ↑19 Dec 2024, 16:35If you would just check the Brussels Airport Infrastructure thread, you could read this:
"Last Monday, Brussels Airport opened 4 new airbridges at Pier B. Those are called MARS, Multiple Aircraft Ramp
System.
This allows to handle 2 wide body, or 4 narrow body or 1 wide body and 2 narrow body at the same location.
This is a huge step forward in the connectivity and Hub functions of the airport as well as comfort for the passengers. Boarding and de-boarding will be much faster.
The MARS are different then the other newly build, single or double bridges, at the B pier.
This means also that more planes can be handled instead of building a new concourse."
But of course it's easier to just go on whining....
Atlantis already mentioned under Infrastructure discussion.
Good investment i hope.
This discussion is about the (very low) number of Transfer PAX for BRU and SN.
Hopefully it will improve with TG and SQ coming back to BRU. But the poor EU network of SN is a tremendous handicap.
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The share of transfer pax is definitely below the other hubs you refer to. But maybe the main problem is that you are not taking into account how different airports report their transfer volumesJOVAN2 wrote: ↑18 Dec 2024, 22:37 It is good to know BRU has a project to promote itself as a HUB Airport.
Shift 27 I think is the name.
Just checked some recent PAX and transfer figures for some airport in BRU''s league.
November 2
VIE. 2.200K. 470K Transfer. 20%
ZRH. 2.190K. 694K. tr 30%
CPH 1.990K. 350K. tr 18%
BRU. 1.750K. 124K ........7%....
We have now TG, SQ,CX ...AA...back in 2025.
Maybe that will help to improve figures.
But present figures are really below standard.
Had no idea it was soo poor.
VIE as example in NOV 2.26Mio pax total - 407K of those transfer, they are counted as departing and arriving (hence the 'arr+dep' note in their reporting)
BRU in NOV 1.76Mio pax - BAC reports the split per category only under the departing the pax, so 125K tranfser. But I hope I don't have to explain that a transfer passenger is also an arriving pax and not just a departing pax. They only exclude the special 'transit' pax (hence the 'excl. transit' note in their reporting). I assume BAC reports like this to differentiate that a transfer passenger is only 1 unique passenger at a given moment, but it arrives and departs in 1 go. Most airports don't report like that and just report on that combined arr+dep as number of total pax movements.
BRU's transfer volume represents 14% YTD of the arriving/departing volume, not 7%.
Re: BRU: monthly pax, cargo and movement figures
Transfer pax is partially also related to code share agreements. SN on their flights to Africa they have a very nice amount of code share partners. The Gulf carriers also.JOVAN2 wrote: ↑19 Dec 2024, 17:00Thanks for info.YYZ727 wrote: ↑19 Dec 2024, 16:35If you would just check the Brussels Airport Infrastructure thread, you could read this:
"Last Monday, Brussels Airport opened 4 new airbridges at Pier B. Those are called MARS, Multiple Aircraft Ramp
System.
This allows to handle 2 wide body, or 4 narrow body or 1 wide body and 2 narrow body at the same location.
This is a huge step forward in the connectivity and Hub functions of the airport as well as comfort for the passengers. Boarding and de-boarding will be much faster.
The MARS are different then the other newly build, single or double bridges, at the B pier.
This means also that more planes can be handled instead of building a new concourse."
But of course it's easier to just go on whining....
Atlantis already mentioned under Infrastructure discussion.
Good investment i hope.
This discussion is about the (very low) number of Transfer PAX for BRU and SN.
Hopefully it will improve with TG and SQ coming back to BRU. But the poor EU network of SN is a tremendous handicap.
But if we have a look at Air Canada, United from Washington, Hainan Airlines, Singapore Airlines and Thai they have no code share partners at all. That's one part and this is really depending on the airline itself. I said partially bcs of course you can book a flight and transfer on another airport if if there is no code sharing.
SQ is flying to BRU since this year but no big increase in transfer.
Next year there will be more long hauls like the return of Atlanta and Hong Kong. In 2025 there will be even more long haul than before 2019. As from September 2025 you can compare the same month with a year earlier. Then you can see the increase.
If we now already would compare Nov 24 vs Nov 23 than we can see that there was an increase of 7K transfer pax