BRU Summer 2025: news, new routes, airlines

[oldblueeyes]

Easyjet will offer new flights into BRU both from LIN and FCO this summer

Indeed, double daily to LIN and FCO starting March 30th.
Head-on competition with SN on one of their best performing routes.

That's part of the ITA deal.

But maybe a good chance to get A321NEOs allocated and operate these routes with them.

[Atlantis]

Easyjet will offer new flights into BRU both from LIN and FCO this summer

Indeed, double daily to LIN and FCO starting March 30th.
Head-on competition with SN on one of their best performing routes.

It was already known for many months and in some of the topics I highlighted it also. The ITA deal means that SN has to drop a lot of slots in Italy. It was known that as from the moment everything would be agreed between LH and ITA and LH and Europe, Easyjet would announce the very first destination from those destinations to BRU. And today was that day. Some win, some lose.

The aircrafts of SN who became available can be deployed to take over from LH and LX their most routes to BRU.

The picture is much bigger. The games are high. 2025 will be very interesting

[JOVAN2]

Easyjet will offer new flights into BRU both from LIN and FCO this summer

Indeed, double daily to LIN and FCO starting March 30th.
Head-on competition with SN on one of their best performing routes.

It was already known for many months and in some of the topics I highlighted it also. The ITA deal means that SN has to drop a lot of slots in Italy. It was known that as from the moment everything would be agreed between LH and ITA and LH and Europe, Easyjet would announce the very first destination from those destinations to BRU. And today was that day. Some win, some lose.

The aircrafts of SN who became available can be deployed to take over from LH and LX their most routes to BRU.

The picture is much bigger. The games are high. 2025 will be very interesting

Typical CS "strategy".
Take over a not so strong but "new" airline ITA and loose the two most lucrative routes to Italy.
The planes that became available at LH and LX can serve new lucrative routes where SN cannot fly.
No. SN can now have most of FRA, Zurich,... flights. SN operates with cheaper personnel and planes.
WinWin For LH and LX. Poor SN.
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[rwandan-flyer]

Indeed, double daily to LIN and FCO starting March 30th.
Head-on competition with SN on one of their best performing routes.

It was already known for many months and in some of the topics I highlighted it also. The ITA deal means that SN has to drop a lot of slots in Italy. It was known that as from the moment everything would be agreed between LH and ITA and LH and Europe, Easyjet would announce the very first destination from those destinations to BRU. And today was that day. Some win, some lose.

The aircrafts of SN who became available can be deployed to take over from LH and LX their most routes to BRU.

The picture is much bigger. The games are high. 2025 will be very interesting

Typical CS "strategy".
Take over a not so strong but "new" airline ITA and loose the two most lucrative routes to Italy.
The planes that became available at LH and LX can serve new lucrative routes where SN cannot fly.
No. SN can now have most of FRA, Zurich,... flights. SN operates with cheaper personnel and planes.
WinWin For LH and LX. Poor SN.
.

No thing new . I give this route and you give me this route. You serve this destination in this country, i will serve this one in this country


Air France KLM Delta do the same thing in USA.

Delta has closed its routes from Amsterdam to Portland (now served by KLM) and Paris Cdg to Raleigh Durham (now served by Air France). In the same time, Delta has started flights between Amsterdam and Orlando, and Delta operates Minneapolis year around since many years (AF serves MSP only summer) and Delta has added more capacities from NewYork JFK and Atlanta to Paris and resumed their Los Angeles Paris CDG service 2 years ago.



Air France Transavia France in France

Some domestic and some flights from French Province to the South Europe or Africa are now operated by Transavia. Air France has donwsized its regional hub at LYS and its former Marseille hub (called the gateway to the Mediterranean) to expand Transavia operations.

Air France KLM in France, in the world

KLM has took over ALL routes between Amsterdam and French Province that was previously operated by Air France (Lyon, Marseille, Nantes and Rennes). KLM now links Amsterdam to Lyon, Rennes, Nice, Marseille, Bordeaux, Montpellier and soon Biarritz. Almost 25 flights a day during the busiest period !!!!!

Amsterdam is became a "domestic destination" for some French Airports. And Strasbourg Amsterdam is a PSO (Public Service Obligations) route with several operators while Clermont Ferrand Amsterdam and Brest Amsterdam were closed but KLM didn't replace Air France

KLM serves many secondaries cities in East of Europe (10 destinations in total, 6 for Poland!!), Nordics Countries (15 destinations !!) and UK (16 destinations !!). They have a biggest network in these regions than Air France.

KLM has closed its route Abuja and was replaced by Air France. I could add that Air France serves Phoenix, Denver, Quebec, Hanoi, Ho Chi Minh, Ottawa while KLM serves Austin, Edmonton, Salt Lake City, Jakarta, Calgary and Las Vegas etc,.....

Again Lufthansa group is not a a separate case, you should see what happens in North America, Africa and in Asia with all differents groups and Joint Ventures

Ag

[crew1990]

SN operates with cheaper personnel and planes.
WinWin For LH and LX. Poor SN.

Have you ever saw any payslip of Lufthansa or Brussels Airlines? Obviously not.

Poor SN? SN is growing it's capacity by 18 percent with almost no risk by increasing the flight frequencies, and taking over existing routes? Poor SN?

Oh and by the way the flight offer to LIN ans FCO is the same as last year, SN havn't gave any slot away.

[Atlantis]

SN operates with cheaper personnel and planes.
WinWin For LH and LX. Poor SN.

Have you ever saw any payslip of Lufthansa or Brussels Airlines? Obviously not.

Poor SN? SN is growing it's capacity by 18 percent with almost no risk by increasing the flight frequencies, and taking over existing routes? Poor SN?

Oh and by the way the flight offer to LIN ans FCO is the same as last year, SN havn't gave any slot away.

Then it seems that you are not aware of the many restrictions in the deal between ITA and LH by the European Commission.

The deal says that at LIN alone 15 daily pair slots has to be given to the competition. It is SN and LH who is hit there hard.

Also on the N A routes they have to make the way open for the competitors. Especially from Rome bcs they are very oriented to N A. But the long haul competitors are not keen on Rome but on Linate.

[crew1990]

The deal says that at LIN alone 15 daily pair slots has to be given to the competition. It is SN and LH who is hit there hard.

I’m aware of this deal but it does not impact SN directly for the slot.
SN still fly the same number of flight to LIN and FCO at the moment, 3x daily on both routes, how is SN hit hard by the deal?

There will be a direct competition with Easyjet indeed, but SN haven’t gave any slot away

[Stij]

..., how is SN hit hard by the deal? ...

Lower ticket prices?

[Established02]

..., how is SN hit hard by the deal? ...

Lower ticket prices?

That was definitely the case when U2 started flying BRU-GVA in 2007.

[crew1990]

..., how is SN hit hard by the deal? ...

Lower ticket prices?

Indeed this this is why I talk about the competion on the route, but the sentence "how is SN hit hard by the deal?" Is refering to number of flights on those routes, thanks for not quoting what I say to use it out of the context.

SN still fly the same number of flight to LIN and FCO at the moment, 3x daily on both routes, how is SN hit hard by the deal?

There will be a direct competition with Easyjet indeed, but SN haven’t gave any slot away

[Stij]

..., how is SN hit hard by the deal? ...

Lower ticket prices?

Indeed this this is why I talk about the competion on the route, but the sentence "how is SN hit hard by the deal?" Is refering to number of flights on those routes, thanks for not quoting what I say to use it out of the context.

SN still fly the same number of flight to LIN and FCO at the moment, 3x daily on both routes, how is SN hit hard by the deal?

There will be a direct competition with Easyjet indeed, but SN haven’t gave any slot away

Wow! I partially quoted you because otherwise it wasn't clear to what part I was responding. So NOT to take it out of context. Hense also the ... before and aftern the quote to indicate there was a context.

[b720]

Lower ticket prices?

Indeed this this is why I talk about the competion on the route, but the sentence "how is SN hit hard by the deal?" Is refering to number of flights on those routes, thanks for not quoting what I say to use it out of the context.

SN still fly the same number of flight to LIN and FCO at the moment, 3x daily on both routes, how is SN hit hard by the deal?

There will be a direct competition with Easyjet indeed, but SN haven’t gave any slot away

Wow! I partially quoted you because otherwise it wasn't clear to what part I was responding. So NOT to take it out of context. Hense also the ... before and aftern the quote to indicate there was a context.

Prices will definitely be driven down.. besides Ita and SN flights overlap currently, I think that, eventually, either operator will adjust its schedule or frequency or maybe exit the market and codeshare with the other, like SN did with LX On the GVA and ZRH services. ITA and SN will be part of the same group after all.

[Atlantis]

Not sure if it was posted already. Vueling will start flights to Florence as from 1st April. 3 weekly flights.

[JOVAN2]

The deal says that at LIN alone 15 daily pair slots has to be given to the competition. It is SN and LH who is hit there hard.

I’m aware of this deal but it does not impact SN directly for the slot.
SN still fly the same number of flight to LIN and FCO at the moment, 3x daily on both routes, how is SN hit hard by the deal?

There will be a direct competition with Easyjet indeed, but SN haven’t gave any slot away

Hahaja. So if the ME airlines fly 2 or 3 times a day to many European cities, big and small, and plunder the market to any destination in Asia, you think that KLM, AF, British, LH.. are happy.

You can read on other very good Aviation sites how much they feel it and complain.

Competition is needed. But SN will lose market share and income on this routes.
Bope you understand...

[lumumba]

The deal says that at LIN alone 15 daily pair slots has to be given to the competition. It is SN and LH who is hit there hard.

I’m aware of this deal but it does not impact SN directly for the slot.
SN still fly the same number of flight to LIN and FCO at the moment, 3x daily on both routes, how is SN hit hard by the deal?

There will be a direct competition with Easyjet indeed, but SN haven’t gave any slot away

Hahaja. So if the ME airlines fly 2 or 3 times a day to many European cities, big and small, and plunder the market to any destination in Asia, you think that KLM, AF, British, LH.. are happy.

You can read on other very good Aviation sites how much they feel it and complain.

Competition is needed. But SN will lose market share and income on this routes.
Bope you understand...

He never said the opposite, he just said that the frequencies were not going to decrease for Brussels Airlines.

[sn26567]

The deal says that at LIN alone 15 daily pair slots has to be given to the competition. It is SN and LH who is hit there hard.

I’m aware of this deal but it does not impact SN directly for the slot.
SN still fly the same number of flight to LIN and FCO at the moment, 3x daily on both routes, how is SN hit hard by the deal?

There will be a direct competition with Easyjet indeed, but SN haven’t gave any slot away

easyJet will start flying to Linate and Rome only in Spring 2025. Isn't it at that moment that SN will have to relinquish slots in both cities?

[crew1990]

The deal says that at LIN alone 15 daily pair slots has to be given to the competition. It is SN and LH who is hit there hard.

I’m aware of this deal but it does not impact SN directly for the slot.
SN still fly the same number of flight to LIN and FCO at the moment, 3x daily on both routes, how is SN hit hard by the deal?

There will be a direct competition with Easyjet indeed, but SN haven’t gave any slot away

Hahaja. So if the ME airlines fly 2 or 3 times a day to many European cities, big and small, and plunder the market to any destination in Asia, you think that KLM, AF, British, LH.. are happy.

You can read on other very good Aviation sites how much they feel it and complain.

Competition is needed. But SN will lose market share and income on this routes.
Bope you understand...

Damm of course and I haven’t say the opposite I just answer to the fact that SN did not loose any slot in favor of Easyjet… whatever ‍

[Conti764]

The deal says that at LIN alone 15 daily pair slots has to be given to the competition. It is SN and LH who is hit there hard.

I’m aware of this deal but it does not impact SN directly for the slot.
SN still fly the same number of flight to LIN and FCO at the moment, 3x daily on both routes, how is SN hit hard by the deal?

There will be a direct competition with Easyjet indeed, but SN haven’t gave any slot away

Hahaja. So if the ME airlines fly 2 or 3 times a day to many European cities, big and small, and plunder the market to any destination in Asia, you think that KLM, AF, British, LH.. are happy.

You can read on other very good Aviation sites how much they feel it and complain.

Competition is needed. But SN will lose market share and income on this routes.
Bope you understand...

And how is this LH, Carsten Spohr's, anyones,... fault?

It's what happens when you have mergers, in the EU, in the US,... Airline groups have to give up slots for the competition. Nothing to do with the way LH treats SN.

[CRJ 900]

And they do the same on LH routes to FRA and MUC too. Even adding HAM. So whole LH group faces this new competition on LIN and FCO routes. Very normal process within the framework of EU competition rules after such a significant merger / take over.

[ZavCity]

Meanwhile, what has happened in the South Americas?The famous Belgian Economic mission??Aviaition?