Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

[Atlantis]

According to the open jobs on the company's website and some press rumors, it seems that SN would get the A321F fleet flying for LH cargo, from Cityline.

May also mean that A320fam is rather the forward path and not the 737MAX - which was described last week by the OS CCO as likely to go to eurowings and or Austrian.

But somehow very vague and only first officers?

[oldblueeyes]

There may be nothing bad in offering internal candidates an earlier chance to move to the left seat.
And 5 Cargo planes in wetlease are also something good for the company.

[Lux_avi]

According to the open jobs on the company's website and some press rumors, it seems that SN would get the A321F fleet flying for LH cargo, from Cityline.

May also mean that A320fam is rather the forward path and not the 737MAX - which was described last week by the OS CCO as likely to go to eurowings and or Austrian.

But somehow very vague and only first officers?

SN doesn't hire fixed Direct Entry Captains.
That's something oldblueyes doesn't really understand when he says "you work wherever you like". Or "you have chosen this/that" & co. But yeah, it's hard to understand from non flying staff.

To train captains, you need training capacity as well. There is a limit to that. Training is already at full swing with ab-initio FO's (not only to cover the grow, but also to compensate a massive exodus to other skies...). Hence the need for temporary captains (who are hard to find).

[convair]

According to the open jobs on the company's website and some press rumors, it seems that SN would get the A321F fleet flying for LH cargo, from Cityline.

Is SN going to develop a cargo division?

[lumumba]

According to the open jobs on the company's website and some press rumors, it seems that SN would get the A321F fleet flying for LH cargo, from Cityline.

Is SN going to develop a cargo division?

I was wondering has well!?

[oldblueeyes]

According to the open jobs on the company's website and some press rumors, it seems that SN would get the A321F fleet flying for LH cargo, from Cityline.

Is SN going to develop a cargo division?

No, but the Cargo subfleet flying today at Cityline has to be onboarded somewhere. LH Cargo makes no sense costwise.

[lumumba]

According to the open jobs on the company's website and some press rumors, it seems that SN would get the A321F fleet flying for LH cargo, from Cityline.

Is SN going to develop a cargo division?

No, but the Cargo subfleet flying today at Cityline has to be onboarded somewhere. LH Cargo makes no sense costwise.

Excuse me but I don't understand what you mean with onboarded?
Does this mean to Park the planes in Brussels ?

[crew1990]

no it mean they have to go to another AOC

[lumumba]

no it mean they have to go to another AOC

Still don't get it so they will fly for Brussels Airlines?

[oldblueeyes]

No.

They will fly as they do today for LH Cargo. Just that they won't be operated by LH Cityline, but by Brussels.

As Cityline would be downsized in airframe size due to reactivated scope clause, the Cargo planes need to go somewhere else, into antoher AOC operating airbus 320fam. Obviously what is here criticised as " lower paycale" is now an advantage to get the jobs and a certain profit margin.

[lumumba]

No.

They will fly as they do today for LH Cargo. Just that they won't be operated by LH Cityline, but by Brussels.

As Cityline would be downsized in airframe size due to reactivated scope clause, the Cargo planes need to go somewhere else, into antoher AOC operating airbus 320fam. Obviously what is here criticised as " lower paycale" is now an advantage to get the jobs and a certain profit margin.

Ok thank you very much.

[Ge203]

According to the open jobs on the company's website and some press rumors, it seems that SN would get the A321F fleet flying for LH cargo, from Cityline.

May also mean that A320fam is rather the forward path and not the 737MAX - which was described last week by the OS CCO as likely to go to eurowings and or Austrian.

I don’t know where you got that from. SN has had open positions for 2 years for FO on the A32F, meaning on the A320 Family. Nowhere do they mention the A321F. Additionally, it’s the same type rating, no pilot is solely qualified on the A321

Unless I’m missing something, I think you misunderstood the offer.

[longwings]

SN doesn't hire fixed Direct Entry Captains.

Is "fixed" the equivalent of permanent? Since they're advertising for direct entry A320 captains on temporary contracts.

Unless I’m missing something, I think you misunderstood the offer.

Seems like a misunderstanding indeed. I see only contract A320 captains and permanent A320 first officers.

[Lux_avi]

SN doesn't hire fixed Direct Entry Captains.

Is "fixed" the equivalent of permanent? Since they're advertising for direct entry A320 captains on temporary contracts.

Correct indeed.

[sn26567]

According to the open jobs on the company's website and some press rumours, it seems that SN would get the A321F fleet flying for LH cargo, from Cityline.

The company's website advertised open jobs for A32F pilots. German webzine aero.de misinterpreted this as being as A320F or A321F pilots and deducted that the LH Cargo A321F fleet would be transferred from Cityline to Brussels Airlines. An SN spokesman confirmed to me that the airline is hiring A320Family pilots, intended for the current A319 and A320 fleet.

[crew1990]

A32F stand for A320 family and not (freighter) ence the mistake, there is NO plan to take the A321 of cityline.

[JOVAN2]

No.

They will fly as they do today for LH Cargo. Just that they won't be operated by LH Cityline, but by Brussels.

As Cityline would be downsized in airframe size due to reactivated scope clause, the Cargo planes need to go somewhere else, into antoher AOC operating airbus 320fam. Obviously what is here criticised as " lower paycale" is now an advantage to get the jobs and a certain profit margin.

Fake news ?!

[crew1990]

Yes fake news, there is no plan for SN to integrate those cargo aircraft

[DannyVDB]

Dear all,

Besides the new special livery coming up - I love several of the proposals, difficult to make a choice, I would like to ask something about the maintenance and re-painting of the A333 aircraft.

Now OO-SFF is in Singapore for maintenance (C- or D-check?), while OO-SFB is in Chateauroux for painting.

Several A333's got a C- or D-check maintenance in Spring this year (at least 3 of them if I am not wrong). Does there exist somewhere an overview of the planning of those 'heave' maintenance checks? Which A333 got recently such a maintenance, which ones should have it shortly? I assume that there is also a 'planning' for the painting?

Currently SN stopped serving Washington (was 5 flights/week before) and also New York seems to be served less (from 7 to 5/w?). That should allow all these maintenance and painting jobs over wintertime, no?- Something else to drop?

With kind regards,
Danny

[DannyVDB]

Hi all,

I just see here https://sites.google.com/view/europeanairlinefleets/bel that SN would get 3 A321neo aircraft (in 2025) .

Quite strange because recently in their press-conference on their fleet expansion, they did not mention this ...

Can anyone confirm?

Cheers,
Danny