Brussels Airlines in 2024

[HQ_BRU_Lover]

Are the women's team worth less than the men's team?

Yes they are, from an economical and popularity point of view. It seems very unlikely that women football will ever get the same attention than men's football.

We should stop trying to artificially bring women to the same level as men on each and every single aspect. This is overhyped bullshit which is becoming a very sad and ridiculous story to be honest! Instead of desperately trying to do so, embrace differences between both genders and let them excel where they can and want to excel.

[oldblueeyes]

Sponsoring is not a charity act, but a business decision measurend in contacts generated.

Comparing the real interest on women's football vs men's , there is zero attention to it. Female teams were boosted in the past years as larger clubs were more or less obliged to integrate female foootball teams, but obvioulsy these are not generating adequate money.

To put it frankly - nobody says that women and men don't do the same work in sports - just that the outcome is different resulting in totally different revenue streams.

And this goes the other way round as well - does anyone want to see a male synchronized swimming team?

[Matt]

And this goes the other way round as well - does anyone want to see a male synchronized swimming team?

[Conti764]

Brussels Airlines is an official sponsor of the two national football teams, the Red Devils and the Red Flames. When the Red Devils travel abroad, SN usually provides transport on A320 OO-SNO ("Red Devils/Red Flames" livery). The latest example was the departure to Stuttgart for the Euro 2024.

Tonight, the Red Flames were playing against the World champions, Spain, in A Coruña. The Belgian team, however, did not travel on OO-SNO, nor on any SN plane. Are the women's team worth less than the men's team? How did they travel to Spain, by the way? (The picture hereunder is from our archives)

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Yes, they are.

The economic return of women's football doesn't even come close to that of men's football. In Belgium women's football is artificially inflated to serve other interests.

Just compare the attendance when the Red Devils play to when the Red Flames play. The latter can't even fill a stadium with limited capacity (Leuven).

[longwings]

Are the women's team worth less than the men's team?

We can't exclude the possibility that Brussels Airlines has an in-kind sponsorship agreement. It may be less a matter of one team being worth less than the other, vs one team having a sponsorship contract that covers their transportation expense, and the other having to pay for its flights.

Yes they are, from an economical and popularity point of view. It seems very unlikely that women football will ever get the same attention than men's football.

Well, since you brought up overhyped bullshit, this is a big serving right here...

Teams and sports popularity rise and fall with the level of performance. Witness the women's NCAA basketball final games getting as much viewership, if not more than the men's as one but not the only data point... Are you so convinced that this cannot happen if the Red Devils have a few bad years? Misogyny isn't very far...

[Atlantis]

It seems that SBE is flying faster the first commercial flights than the other previous four when it arrived at BRU from Toulouse.
She did already her first flights this month

[convair]

After 2 months of the resumed Nairobi flights, are there already some data on the load factor?

[Sabena320]

After 2 months of the resumed Nairobi flights, are there already some data on the load factor?

It's Summer season, but to give you an idea: the past 2 weeks there were on average 3 unsold seats. It's often overbooked (intended).

[convair]

After 2 months of the resumed Nairobi flights, are there already some data on the load factor?

It's Summer season, but to give you an idea: the past 2 weeks there were on average 3 unsold seats. It's often overbooked (intended).

Thank you. It looks great, then.

[luchtzak]

After 2 months of the resumed Nairobi flights, are there already some data on the load factor?

It's Summer season, but to give you an idea: the past 2 weeks there were on average 3 unsold seats. It's often overbooked (intended).

Thank you. It looks great, then.

Load factor doesn't guarantee profitability because it only accounts for seat occupancy. Profitability depends on multiple factors including:

• Revenue per Passenger: High load factor with low ticket prices may not cover operational costs.

• Operational Costs: Expenses such as fuel, maintenance, staff salaries, and airport fees vary and can be high.

• Route Viability: Some routes have higher operational costs and competition, affecting profit margins.

[jan_olieslagers]

Agreed to all that, @luchtzak. Still, if the current SN management were unable to make a profit from a flight almost fully occupied, I am sure aunty Lufthansa would soon find "others and betters".

[convair]

Agreed to all that, @luchtzak. Still, if the current SN management were unable to make a profit from a flight almost fully occupied, I am sure aunty Lufthansa would soon find "others and betters".

+1

[Delta Sierra]

As mentioned on the frontpage of Luchtzak:"AirBaltic eyes expansion with new crew bases (Tallinn, Vilnius, Munich, Vienna and Brussels), starting from November 2024."

I suppose it will be the new wetlease provider for SU25

[Atlantis]

Also the next 2 transfer A330 from LH to SN are known: D-AIKR and D-AIKS and those are much younger ones, 12 and 10 years old. Will be transferred in 2026 and 2027

[TimTam]

In 2026 and 2027 ? We are in 2024 ! I assume the information is correct, but it sounds like a bad joke (sorry) in comparaison with, for instance, Discovery.

[crew1990]

Also the next 2 transfer A330 from LH to SN are known: D-AIKR and D-AIKS and those are much younger ones, 12 and 10 years old. Will be transferred in 2026 and 2027

D-AIKS is even the youngest A330-300 of the group

[Atlantis]

In 2026 and 2027 ? We are in 2024 ! I assume the information is correct, but it sounds like a bad joke (sorry) in comparaison with, for instance, Discovery.

Not a joke. It's known for some time that each year an A330 and a few A320 will join the fleet. That's really a lot. Don't forget that you have to hire cabin and flight crew which is not easy at all. But also ground crew. This is very costly and very challenging for a small airline like SN. But good to see this ambition

[lumumba]

In 2026 and 2027 ? We are in 2024 ! I assume the information is correct, but it sounds like a bad joke (sorry) in comparaison with, for instance, Discovery.

Not a joke. It's known for some time that each year an A330 and a few A320 will join the fleet. That's really a lot. Don't forget that you have to hire cabin and flight crew which is not easy at all. But also ground crew. This is very costly and very challenging for a small airline like SN. But good to see this ambition

I apologize if this information has already been given, but for 2025, what plane will be coming?

[TLspotting]

In 2026 and 2027 ? We are in 2024 ! I assume the information is correct, but it sounds like a bad joke (sorry) in comparaison with, for instance, Discovery.

Not a joke. It's known for some time that each year an A330 and a few A320 will join the fleet. That's really a lot. Don't forget that you have to hire cabin and flight crew which is not easy at all. But also ground crew. This is very costly and very challenging for a small airline like SN. But good to see this ambition

I apologize if this information has already been given, but for 2025, what plane will be coming?

MSN 913 - D-AIKM

Source : EAF

[lumumba]

Not a joke. It's known for some time that each year an A330 and a few A320 will join the fleet. That's really a lot. Don't forget that you have to hire cabin and flight crew which is not easy at all. But also ground crew. This is very costly and very challenging for a small airline like SN. But good to see this ambition

I apologize if this information has already been given, but for 2025, what plane will be coming?

MSN 913 - D-AIKM

Source : EAF

Thx