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rwandan-flyer wrote: 20 Jun 2024, 17:34
nordikcam wrote: 20 Jun 2024, 14:19
Atlantis wrote: 20 Jun 2024, 13:50

If it left Dakar already with a delay and an unfortunate diversion to MAD highly the max hours for the crew was reached.

Let's not focus on each issue on long haul of SN. Majority can be explained
Yess, but it was the first commercial flight with the NEW OO-SFP...it's not a flamboyant success and I admit "It's sad ".
We are talking about medical diversion, so no aircraft fault and as some people say crew has probably reached its limit.

KLM sometimes skips the Kigali stop when the flight has huge delay from Amsterdam (crew shift is at Entebbe and not at Kigali). Thus it avoids that the plane spends a night at Kigali and you have to send a crew from Entebbe (540km from Kigali) via the road, but roads are dangerous in Africa with a high risk of stress and tiredness for crew. Or plane you have chance that RwandAir flights are full to Kigali.

From Kigali, Passengers will re booked via Kenya Airways, Turkish Airlines, Ethiopian Airlines or Brussels Airlines or will get free night at the hotel.
I understand but we are talking about OO-SFP arrived around 9AM in MAD and still in MAD. A new "crew" ? I understand...maybe all flights of the day to MAD were full. So the aircraft is in MAD for medical reasons...Hope we will see a doctor !:-)

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I don't know how airlines operations deal with this kind of issue and how works a reserve crew schedule

I just know one thing, at the work i see sometimes cabin crew going to USA, Africa or Asia to replace crew stucked sometimes due to an illness of Flight Attendant or because they (there i m talking about pilots) have to bring back an aircraft to the base (ferry flight) grounded in Asia or Africa due to a mechanical issue.

Same thing sometimes with aircraft maintenance engineer working for an airline.

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Good news :
SN1204 is flying back today from MAD.
Originally planned for 06:25, the departure has been delayed by 7 hours with now ETA around 16:00.

Eurowings OO-SFP.png

She is due to fly tomorrow as SN205 to DSS.

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Homo Aeroportus wrote: 21 Jun 2024, 10:13 Good news :
SN1204 is flying back today from MAD.
Originally planned for 06:25, the departure has been delayed by 7 hours with now ETA around 16:00.
Long stay for a medical diversion...

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Duke wrote: 21 Jun 2024, 10:22
Homo Aeroportus wrote: 21 Jun 2024, 10:13 Good news :
SN1204 is flying back today from MAD.
Originally planned for 06:25, the departure has been delayed by 7 hours with now ETA around 16:00.
Long stay for a medical diversion...
In 2013, it took alsmost 24 hours (instead of 08h30-9h) for Air France passengers to fly from Detroit to Paris CDG. The A340 has made of 1st stop in Canada due to a medical diversion. Then crew has reached its hours limit the aircraft has made a 2nd stop at Brest (France) in the middle of afternoon.

A new AF crew arrived at Brest on Air France flight from Paris CDG late afternonn and the aircraft left Brest at 19h and arrived at Paris CDG at 20h.

You have so many things out of control that can happen each day for an airline and it's hard to predict the future.

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Duke wrote: 21 Jun 2024, 10:22
Homo Aeroportus wrote: 21 Jun 2024, 10:13 Good news :
SN1204 is flying back today from MAD.
Originally planned for 06:25, the departure has been delayed by 7 hours with now ETA around 16:00.
Long stay for a medical diversion...
Still in MAD...new delay ! Was it a sick passenger or a sick plane ?


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A picture of the aircraft OO-SFP at Madrid took yesterday

https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/11366773
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According to EAF, 2026 could see the addition of two A330!
11th : 2025
12th : 2026
13th : 2026
We might reach 15 earlier than planned...

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Bad luck or bad management of the situation ?

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Miqvell wrote: 22 Jun 2024, 14:13 According to EAF, 2026 could see the addition of two A330!
11th : 2025
12th : 2026
13th : 2026
We might reach 15 earlier than planned...
Two in 2026 is a lot and a huge investment. I hope they will find on time the needed flight and cabin crews. But not only they, also ground staff is hard to find these days.

It means also that the partners, UA and AC, has to follow with the same equivalent of destinations to BRU. Or double daily or new destinations. That is the original plan of this African hub.
BTW, keep an eye on UA and BOS to BRU

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Miqvell wrote: 22 Jun 2024, 14:13 According to EAF, 2026 could see the addition of two A330!
11th : 2025
12th : 2026
13th : 2026
We might reach 15 earlier than planned...
Would be nice to get 2 in a year, but I remember a few months ago it also said 2 in 2024. But now it changed to 2025.

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2 planes a year, but when will the limit be reached that they stop with the a330 en get new planes?

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nathan_06 wrote: 22 Jun 2024, 23:11 2 planes a year, but when will the limit be reached that they stop with the a330 en get new planes?
There'll still be A330s in 2030. The CEO previously discussed about its successor, which should be the A350.

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Miqvell wrote: 22 Jun 2024, 23:17
nathan_06 wrote: 22 Jun 2024, 23:11 2 planes a year, but when will the limit be reached that they stop with the a330 en get new planes?
There'll still be A330s in 2030. The CEO previously discussed about its successor, which should be the A350.
a350 to expend te fleet or renew te fleet

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nathan_06 wrote: 23 Jun 2024, 00:34
Miqvell wrote: 22 Jun 2024, 23:17
nathan_06 wrote: 22 Jun 2024, 23:11 2 planes a year, but when will the limit be reached that they stop with the a330 en get new planes?
There'll still be A330s in 2030. The CEO previously discussed about its successor, which should be the A350.
a350 to expend te fleet or renew te fleet
To renew as from 2030.

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nathan_06 wrote: 22 Jun 2024, 23:11 2 planes a year, but when will the limit be reached that they stop with the a330 en get new planes?
The last Statements were pretty clear : 2 narrowbodies and 1 Widebody net growth per year.

2 in a calender year can mean also 1 at the beginning of the summer season and 1 end of November.

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I think we're reading too much into it. The 3th A330 only appeared on EAF after Delta Sierra mentioned D-AIKM in this topic. Before that she was marked as transfer to 4Y on EAF. It could be that the person behind EAF just forgot to change the year when copying and pasting.
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OO-PDM wrote: 23 Jun 2024, 16:53 I think we're reading too much into it. The 3th A330 only appeared on EAF after Delta Sierra mentioned D-AIKM in this topic. Before that she was marked as transfer to 4Y on EAF. It could be that the person behind EAF just forgot to change the year when copying and pasting.
I have a pretty good idea on who is behind the site and I am pretty sure this person does not follow this forum. I think Delta Sierra just has the same source of info.

Of course: feel free to correct me ;)

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Miqvell wrote: 22 Jun 2024, 14:13 According to EAF, 2026 could see the addition of two A330!
11th : 2025
12th : 2026
13th : 2026
We might reach 15 earlier than planned...
The 13th seems to have disappeared on the Google.com/europeanairfleets

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