Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

[DannyVDB]

Not sure it is correct or will happen in practice, but it seems that tomorrow will be the first flight of OO-SFP to Dakar.

Scheduled as SN205 around 11:00 am

Did they postpone painting of OO-SFB to a later date (wintertime)?

Cheers,
Danny

[TimTam]

At the risk of being insulted again, I just want to (wrongly of course) compare SN fully owned by the LH Group and SAS in which AF-KL have taken a minority stake at the end of last year and which will leave Star Alliance for SkyTeam on 1 September and notice that already yesterday SAS started flights to Atlanta, Delta's perhaps major hub.

[fcw]

At the risk of being insulted again, I just want to (wrongly of course) compare SN fully owned by the LH Group and SAS in which AF-KL have taken a minority stake at the end of last year and which will leave Star Alliance for SkyTeam on 1 September and notice that already yesterday SAS started flights to Atlanta, Delta's perhaps major hub.

A Scandinavian friend, TamTim, thinks SAS shouldn’t have left *alliance as SN got a flight to NBO and they are not allowed to fly to NBO although it’s a hub of a Sky Team member!.
(Hope you don’t feel insulted by the fact my friend has a name similar to yours, it’s quite funny though as they make similar comparisons also)

[rwandan-flyer]

At the risk of being insulted again, I just want to (wrongly of course) compare SN fully owned by the LH Group and SAS in which AF-KL have taken a minority stake at the end of last year and which will leave Star Alliance for SkyTeam on 1 September and notice that already yesterday SAS started flights to Atlanta, Delta's perhaps major hub.

What do you want to say ?

Because i can also say that Air France has ended flights to Guangzhou, when China Southern left SkyTeam in 2019. https://www.businesstraveller.com/busin ... -of-march/

The fact that no European airlines (no Lufthansa, British Airways, KLM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guangzhou ... al_Airport) serve Canton mean probably that Air France relied on China Southern hub at CAN to feed its CDG CAN route

Air France has ended to serve Jeddah in 2012 (https://www-air--journal-fr.translate.g ... r_pto=wapp) and Riyadh in 2019 (https://www.rfi.fr/en/economy/20190110- ... hts-riyadh) while both cities are two SkyTeam hubs in the Middle East and KLM serves 2 destinations in Saudi Arabia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_KLM_destinations) and SV operates daily service from CDG to JED and RUH. In 2010s, SV used to serve Paris CDG using A320 and few times A330 (B777 was a sight in 2000s). With the end of AF services, SV now operates B787-9 / 10 and B777-300ERs

Like Air France did on some US routes :

Cincinnati: served first by Air France till 2007 before Delta Airlines replaces them from 2008 (https://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/17/busi ... 34965.html)

Minneapolis : Air France operates only seasonal service since 2013 (https://www.traveldailynews.com/regiona ... aint-paul/) (but last summer no AF flights). DL operates year round service

Philadelphia : served by Air France till 2009 (https://www.inquirer.com/philly/busines ... ights.html) before Delta replaced them and closes the route

Chicago : during many years Delta has been operating in winter (https://www-tourmag-com.translate.goog/ ... r_pto=wapp), while Air France during the summer. Delta ended the route and now AF operates year round

But in the first time Air France ended its service to Chicago in 2011, after....60 years service (https://www-air--journal-fr.translate.g ... r_pto=wapp)

Raleigh : served first by Delta from 2009 (https://ir.delta.com/news/news-details/ ... fault.aspx), before Air France replaces them last year.

Boston : in 2010s, they were American Airlines and Delta Airlines which operated summer service (also ths short lived A321Neo service by Primera). When AA drops the route, Delta start to serve CDG year round https://www-tourmag-com.translate.goog/ ... r_pto=wapp

Nairobi : closed by Air France in 1999. Kenya Airways joined SkyTeam in 2007 (flights to CDG resumed in 2006 https://www-tourmag-com.translate.goog/ ... r_pto=wapp). AF resumed flights to Nairobi in 2018 (https://apta.biz/2017/09/16/air-france- ... a-service/)


I could also add Los Angeles, Seattle or Detroit all served by Delta and Air France from Paris Cdg. Or the fact that Delta doens't serve Bucharest (hub of Tarom), Garuda doens't serve Paris Cdg, Vietnam serves Frankfurt (Star Alliance) but not Amsterdam (Skyteam hub), Aerolineas Argentina doesn't serve Paris Cdg,...

This is a synergy. If there is enough capacity no need to create ove rcapacity because you have code share and its enables to an airline to use its aircraft on profitables routes. if you need more capacities, airlines in your alliance will start to serve the same hub

[oldblueeyes]

At the risk of being insulted again, I just want to (wrongly of course) compare SN fully owned by the LH Group and SAS in which AF-KL have taken a minority stake at the end of last year and which will leave Star Alliance for SkyTeam on 1 September and notice that already yesterday SAS started flights to Atlanta, Delta's perhaps major hub.

If you want to start comparisons, than look on the full picture.

- SAS filled (again) for insolvency, so a very smart to benchmark a nearly bankrupt company
- operationally they are so good, that they had to give back brand new A350
- the big game changer some are dreaming about, A321LR is a big strategic move - so good that they are desperately trying to find routes for

Don't be offended if you get the brutal reality told- if you don't want to see your theories and ideas named childish or stupid, build some basic knowledge first.

We all would be more than happy to help you broaden your horizon, but for this your attitude shall change more towards open asking.

Airlines are a business and their role is not to fly new dots, but follow Pax needs which may have certain particularities.

[sn26567]

Could we please get back to the topic? This topic is about Brussels Airlines fleet renewal, nothing else!

[Kapitein]

OOSFP is ready to fly SN203

[nathan_06]

Why was SN515 yesterday cancelled with OO-SFP?

[nordikcam]

Which one A330 could be the next one in the SN fleet ? Coming from LH I guess ?

[Delta Sierra]

Which one A330 could be the next one in the SN fleet ? Coming from LH I guess ?

D-AIKM from LH

[OO-PDM]

weren't the LH A330's going to Discover (so they can expand in MUC)

[Atlantis]

weren't the LH A330's going to Discover (so they can expand in MUC)

Yes, but still 3 planes of LH are foreseen for SN

[nordikcam]

OO-SFP's first commercial flight is far from a success! The flight from Banjul/Dakar is not only 5 hours late but is in Madrid and not in Brussels!

[Delta Sierra]

OO-SFP's first commercial flight is far from a success! The flight from Banjul/Dakar is not only 5 hours late but is in Madrid and not in Brussels!

Medical diversion

[Duke]

OO-SFP's first commercial flight is far from a success! The flight from Banjul/Dakar is not only 5 hours late but is in Madrid and not in Brussels!

Medical diversion

Could well be, but it left Dakar with about 6 hours delay...
What was the reason for that delay?

[nordikcam]

OO-SFP's first commercial flight is far from a success! The flight from Banjul/Dakar is not only 5 hours late but is in Madrid and not in Brussels!

Medical diversion

And the aircraft is still in MAD...Other reason !

[Atlantis]

OO-SFP's first commercial flight is far from a success! The flight from Banjul/Dakar is not only 5 hours late but is in Madrid and not in Brussels!

Medical diversion

And the aircraft is still in MAD...Other reason !

If it left Dakar already with a delay and an unfortunate diversion to MAD highly the max hours for the crew was reached.

Let's not focus on each issue on long haul of SN. Majority can be explained

[nordikcam]

Medical diversion

And the aircraft is still in MAD...Other reason !

If it left Dakar already with a delay and an unfortunate diversion to MAD highly the max hours for the crew was reached.

Let's not focus on each issue on long haul of SN. Majority can be explained

Yess, but it was the first commercial flight with the NEW OO-SFP...it's not a flamboyant success and I admit "It's sad ".

[Atlantis]

And the aircraft is still in MAD...Other reason !

If it left Dakar already with a delay and an unfortunate diversion to MAD highly the max hours for the crew was reached.

Let's not focus on each issue on long haul of SN. Majority can be explained

Yess, but it was the first commercial flight with the NEW OO-SFP...it's not a flamboyant success and I admit "It's sad ".

It's not new, it's >19 years old. Better saying that it is an addition to the SN fleet. It could have happen with any other aircraft too

[rwandan-flyer]

And the aircraft is still in MAD...Other reason !

If it left Dakar already with a delay and an unfortunate diversion to MAD highly the max hours for the crew was reached.

Let's not focus on each issue on long haul of SN. Majority can be explained

Yess, but it was the first commercial flight with the NEW OO-SFP...it's not a flamboyant success and I admit "It's sad ".

We are talking about medical diversion, so no aircraft fault and as some people say crew has probably reached its limit.

KLM sometimes skips the Kigali stop when the flight has huge delay from Amsterdam (crew shift is at Entebbe and not at Kigali). Thus it avoids that the plane spends a night at Kigali and you have to send a crew from Entebbe (540km from Kigali) via the road, but roads are dangerous in Africa with a high risk of stress and tiredness for crew. Or plane you have chance that RwandAir flights are full to Kigali.

From Kigali, Passengers will re booked via Kenya Airways, Turkish Airlines, Ethiopian Airlines or Brussels Airlines or will get free night at the hotel.