BRU Winter 2024-2025: News, new routes, airlines

[JOVAN2]

So far, Vueling plans to increase winter ops by 30%
⚠ May vary depending on weeks

Alicante : 5 ► 7
Barcelona : 24 ► 25
Bilbao : 3
Malaga : 1 ► 4
Sevilla : 2
Valencia : 2 ► 7

W23 = 37.weekㅤㅤㅤS24 = 53ㅤㅤㅤW24 = 48

Very good to see Vueling doing good. It was a pity that they closed their base after Ryanair came.

But we can see the same trend with Transavia. They extend their almost Summer schedule into the Winter

Only a Belgian can be happy with foreign competition with potential serious consequences on Belgian airlines, I guess

Indeed.
La petitetée (?) belge est époustouflante.

Foreign airlines plunder te

[JOVAN2]

Foreign airlines plunder the market and drink the blood of SN.
Some members here are happy about it......

[rwandan-flyer]

Here are more details regarding the increase of Vueling flights. This is the total number of flights between 27Oct24 till 29Mrt25

Alicante - Brussels: 110 to 154 flights
Barcelona - Brussels: 506 - 572 flights
Malaga - Brussels: 44 - 106 flights
Valencia - Brussels: 110 to 150 flights

Source: Aeroroutes

Foreign airlines plunder the market and drink the blood of SN.
Some members here are happy about it......

Fun fact: SN will add flights on some destinations served.....by Vueling...from Brussels

Alicante, Bilbao, Malaga and Valencia will get more flights. Only flights to Barcelona will be reduced.

Then, SN will add flights to:

Lyon, Toulouse, Nice, London Heathrow and Hamburg. Athens will be served in winter. We can also add that more capacity will be added to Africa. It will be the case with Kigali that will be served daily and Nairobi that will be served this winter. Less flights than in summer, but it's a new destination for the winter season.

Surpising that noboy posted this info today. Brussels Airlines NW24 Europe Frequency Changes – 26MAY24 https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/240527-snnw24eu

And of course the airline reduces flights on some destinations like ALL airlines do in the winter

Iberia reduces flights to Lisboa, Paris CDG or Geneva https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/240527-ibnw24eu

British Airways will reduce flights to Rome https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/240527-banw24lhreu

Can we say that these airlines are not ambitious ?

It seems that some people are making a Cherry picking: suppressing evidence, or the fallacy of incomplete evidence is the act of pointing to individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position while ignoring a significant portion of related and similar cases or data that may contradict that position. Cherry picking may be committed intentionally or unintentionally. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking

[Atlantis]

So far, Vueling plans to increase winter ops by 30%
⚠ May vary depending on weeks

Alicante : 5 ► 7
Barcelona : 24 ► 25
Bilbao : 3
Malaga : 1 ► 4
Sevilla : 2
Valencia : 2 ► 7

W23 = 37.weekㅤㅤㅤS24 = 53ㅤㅤㅤW24 = 48

Very good to see Vueling doing good. It was a pity that they closed their base after Ryanair came.

But we can see the same trend with Transavia. They extend their almost Summer schedule into the Winter

Only a Belgian can be happy with foreign competition with potential serious consequences on Belgian airlines, I guess

Nothing to do with it. But if the own airline, and it's even not a Belgian airline but a German one , cannot do it, don't sit in the corner and cry. Business is business and if there are others who can fill the gap bcs there is a huge demand, why not? Why refuse them? Free market.

BTW, Virgin Express, VLM, Thomas Cook Airlines didn't went for a merger or bankruptcy bcs of former foreign carriers. It's just extremely difficult in Belgium. But on the other side, the foreign ones brings money in

[Lux_avi]

Nothing to do with it. But if the own airline, and it's even not a Belgian airline but a German one , cannot do it, don't sit in the corner and cry. Business is business and if there are others who can fill the gap bcs there is a huge demand, why not? Why refuse them? Free market.

BTW, Virgin Express, VLM, Thomas Cook Airlines didn't went for a merger or bankruptcy bcs of former foreign carriers. It's just extremely difficult in Belgium. But on the other side, the foreign ones brings money in

There is no gap to fill there in winter time. Have you seen the SN/TUI fares to AGP/VLC/ALC in winter months?
It's just Vueling attacking the market and willing to push Belgian carriers away.

SN might be owned by Lufthansa but the employees are based in Belgium and pay their taxes in Belgium. TUI is a foreign group too but most of its BE division employees are also based in Belgium and pay their taxes in Belgium as well. So, what money do the "foreign ones" actually bring to Belgium? Peanuts.

Free market yes, but I do hope you realize these foreign carriers do not play in the same court as the Belgian based carriers.
Those who bring something to our country are those who are based here. Not the foreign ones. Unfortunately I can already imagine who will loose the battle here.

[Lux_avi]

Fun fact: SN will add flights on some destinations served.....by Vueling...from Brussels

Alicante, Bilbao, Malaga and Valencia will get more flights. Only flights to Barcelona will be reduced.

Of course! They have to fight against competition or it's a lost battle in advance...

This will not bring anything good, look at what happened when Air Belgium started flights to PUJ & co. TUI had to get rid of 1x 787, it never came back. It was a blood bath, and it will be the same this winter on the Spanish market.

Belgians are not proud enough to choose Belgian carriers over foreign ones, unfortunately.
They would go for Vueling if it's 1€ cheaper than SN or TUI.

[rwandan-flyer]

PUJ is only point to point marked which works only with Belgians Travel Agencies

About Spain yes you have point to point market

But about the increase of flights on the Heathrow route. We can think of the new flights to Nairobi and the daily flights this winter to Kigali will bring more demand

Nairobi London P2P : 186 146 pax from Sept22 to Aug23, covid hit hard (249 408 in 2019)

Because it seems the flight which leaves LHR at 07h10-07H45 will be operated also this winter and not only in the summer

[Atlantis]

Nothing to do with it. But if the own airline, and it's even not a Belgian airline but a German one , cannot do it, don't sit in the corner and cry. Business is business and if there are others who can fill the gap bcs there is a huge demand, why not? Why refuse them? Free market.

BTW, Virgin Express, VLM, Thomas Cook Airlines didn't went for a merger or bankruptcy bcs of former foreign carriers. It's just extremely difficult in Belgium. But on the other side, the foreign ones brings money in

There is no gap to fill there in winter time. Have you seen the SN/TUI fares to AGP/VLC/ALC in winter months?
It's just Vueling attacking the market and willing to push Belgian carriers away.

SN might be owned by Lufthansa but the employees are based in Belgium and pay their taxes in Belgium. TUI is a foreign group too but most of its BE division employees are also based in Belgium and pay their taxes in Belgium as well. So, what money do the "foreign ones" actually bring to Belgium? Peanuts.

Free market yes, but I do hope you realize these foreign carriers do not play in the same court as the Belgian based carriers.
Those who bring something to our country are those who are based here. Not the foreign ones. Unfortunately I can already imagine who will loose the battle here.

But SN is doing the same. They fly to Africa where most of them don't have an own airline or if they have they don't fly to BRU bcs or there is a ban or they don't have the planes.
SN people there are based there and have a wage in that country. SN is there also the foreign one.

High time to stop thinking about national symbols. If you stay under your church tower or within your borders BRU would be a desert.

Why Belgium should be the exception? Our business is screaming for foreign carriers. There HQ are here but SN is not flying to Asia or South America etc. This means that others has to do it.

Same for Vueling and Transavia. When they see the huge demand in Belgium to fly to the Mediterranean, they will do.

Think international, it brings so much more. Don't blame those carriers, blame the Belgian labor costs.

[lumumba]

Nothing to do with it. But if the own airline, and it's even not a Belgian airline but a German one , cannot do it, don't sit in the corner and cry. Business is business and if there are others who can fill the gap bcs there is a huge demand, why not? Why refuse them? Free market.

BTW, Virgin Express, VLM, Thomas Cook Airlines didn't went for a merger or bankruptcy bcs of former foreign carriers. It's just extremely difficult in Belgium. But on the other side, the foreign ones brings money in

There is no gap to fill there in winter time. Have you seen the SN/TUI fares to AGP/VLC/ALC in winter months?
It's just Vueling attacking the market and willing to push Belgian carriers away.

SN might be owned by Lufthansa but the employees are based in Belgium and pay their taxes in Belgium. TUI is a foreign group too but most of its BE division employees are also based in Belgium and pay their taxes in Belgium as well. So, what money do the "foreign ones" actually bring to Belgium? Peanuts.

Free market yes, but I do hope you realize these foreign carriers do not play in the same court as the Belgian based carriers.
Those who bring something to our country are those who are based here. Not the foreign ones. Unfortunately I can already imagine who will loose the battle here.

But SN is doing the same. They fly to Africa where most of them don't have an own airline or if they have they don't fly to BRU bcs or there is a ban or they don't have the planes.
SN people there are based there and have a wage in that country. SN is there also the foreign one.

High time to stop thinking about national symbols. If you stay under your church tower or within your borders BRU would be a desert.

Why Belgium should be the exception? Our business is screaming for foreign carriers. There HQ are here but SN is not flying to Asia or South America etc. This means that others has to do it.

Same for Vueling and Transavia. When they see the huge demand in Belgium to fly to the Mediterranean, they will do.

Think international, it brings so much more. Don't blame those carriers, blame the Belgian labor costs.

Exactly
Another example Brussels Airlines abandoned Faro in winter fortunately Transavia has resumed this flight for all year round now they have woken up and added flights also in winter.

[Lux_avi]

Same for Vueling and Transavia. When they see the huge demand in Belgium to fly to the Mediterranean, they will do.

Think international, it brings so much more. Don't blame those carriers, blame the Belgian labor costs.

"It brings so much more".

What exactly, and to who?

[Atlantis]

Same for Vueling and Transavia. When they see the huge demand in Belgium to fly to the Mediterranean, they will do.

Think international, it brings so much more. Don't blame those carriers, blame the Belgian labor costs.

"It brings so much more".

What exactly, and to who?

I will tell you. The total foreign investments, in Flanders alone, for 2023 was 5 billion euro and created in the same year extra 4.596 jobs and this for 265 projects. Both figures are much higher then what is SN, TUI etc worth. It created even more jobs. 2022 was a record year with 6.540 created jobs. This means that each year, foreign companies are investing more and creating more than the company you mentioned.

European countries are of course the top of investing in Flanders with 67%, America (both together) with 18% and Asia with 15%.

This is year after year huge. Then you will ask me: "ok, but in which kind of business?" 25% is in research & development, 25% in production, 25% in sales and marketing, 18% in Logistics, 2% are HQ and 5% are a bunch of other activities.

This can be your neighbour, friend who is employed via this investments. So yes, it brings so much more

[longwings]

When a foreign airline increases flights in BRU, it creates additional demand for ground handling, line maintenance, catering, cabin cleaning, check-in services, baggage handling... activities that translate to jobs. It may not generate as much economic activity as if the flight was operated by Brussels Airlines, but it is far, far from insignificant.

It seems that some people are making a Cherry picking: suppressing evidence, or the fallacy of incomplete evidence is the act of pointing to individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position while ignoring a significant portion of related and similar cases or data that may contradict that position.

I agree that conclusions are often drawn on this board on the basis of incomplete information. I shall not dare to guess whether that is intentional to fit a preconceived agenda.

Nevertheless, it is also true that Brussels' market share at its home airport is about ten percentage points lower than the respective home carriers at CDG, FRA, AMS, and LHR.

I will tell you. The total foreign investments, in Flanders alone, for 2023 was 5 billion euro and created in the same year extra 4.596 jobs and this for 265 projects. Both figures are much higher then what is SN, TUI etc worth. It created even more jobs.

I'm not sure how FDI in one region (or an entire country) in an unrelated industry compares to investments by Brussels Airlines or TUI. If anything, they feed off each other. A busy airport facilities FDI, more FDI increases demands for flights...

[Lux_avi]

I will tell you. The total foreign investments, in Flanders alone, for 2023 was 5 billion euro and created in the same year extra 4.596 jobs and this for 265 projects. Both figures are much higher then what is SN, TUI etc worth. It created even more jobs. 2022 was a record year with 6.540 created jobs. This means that each year, foreign companies are investing more and creating more than the company you mentioned.

European countries are of course the top of investing in Flanders with 67%, America (both together) with 18% and Asia with 15%.

This is year after year huge. Then you will ask me: "ok, but in which kind of business?" 25% is in research & development, 25% in production, 25% in sales and marketing, 18% in Logistics, 2% are HQ and 5% are a bunch of other activities.

This can be your neighbour, friend who is employed via this investments. So yes, it brings so much more

Atlantis, that is very obvious but that has absolutely nothing to do with my comment about Vueling attacking massively the BE-Spain market.
I never said anywhere that no foreign carrier should not come to BRU, nor that foreign investment doesn't bring anything to Belgium. Again, very obviously...

I hope you realize there is no demand for 34458464 flights a day between Brussels and Malaga in winter time. Prices in winter time are already (too) low. It will be a blood bath, nothing else. You said it yourself; labor costs are extremely high in Belgium and making money here with an airline is already extremely complicated. How do you think Vueling will bring "much more" to our country then? Belgian carriers will try to fight back, but on the longer term someone will loose, guess who? Those with lower costs or those with the higher costs? Which one of those brings anything to Belgium?

[Atlantis]

Now is official, Thai Airways will start up flights again as from 1st December and this on a daily basis.

Aircraft will be the B788.

Only waiting for Cathay Pacific

[nordikcam]

Now is official, Thai Airways will start up flights again as from 1st December and this on a daily basis.

Aircraft will be the B788.

Only waiting for Cathay Pacific

Cathay of course...and the return of daily flights to TOKYO ! Still waiting for LATAM...

[Atlantis]

Now is official, Thai Airways will start up flights again as from 1st December and this on a daily basis.

Aircraft will be the B788.

Only waiting for Cathay Pacific

Cathay of course...and the return of daily flights to TOKYO ! Still waiting for LATAM...

And DL with the missing ATL flight.

But we are almost there. But if you compare with 2019 we will have more long haul. Singapore Airlines is back and next month the new long haul carrier Juneyao will start flying

[Miqvell]

A miracle : Norwegian launches Brussels to Tromso.
2 weekly 31 Oct - 20 Apr

Source : Norwegian

[luchtzak]

A miracle : Norwegian launches Brussels to Tromso.
2 weekly 31 Oct - 20 Apr

Source : Norwegian

Thanks for the information! Meanwhile, I found a Norwegian press release (in Norwegian), and published a detailed article: .
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https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/norw ... stockholm/

[Atlantis]

A miracle : Norwegian launches Brussels to Tromso.
2 weekly 31 Oct - 20 Apr

Source : Norwegian

Not really . It was just a matter of time. BRU was still a black spot on their map.
They requested already in the past slots for BRU but never used them. Finally they made it fixed

[Miqvell]

A miracle : Norwegian launches Brussels to Tromso.
2 weekly 31 Oct - 20 Apr

Source : Norwegian

Not really . It was just a matter of time. BRU was still a black spot on their map.
They requested already in the past slots for BRU but never used them. Finally they made it fixed

A miracle because they were long-awaited and because Tromso was never launched by SAS in 2020.
Any idea if they'll further expand ?