EgyptAir Flight MS804 CDG-CAI disappears above the Mediterranean

[jan_olieslagers]

Who said fully destroyed?
Better not to jump to conclusions - as has been said a thousand times. Why don't some people never learn?

[Passenger]

Who said fully destroyed? Better not to jump to conclusions - as has been said a thousand times. Why don't some people never learn?

I know my English is a thousand times worse then yours (as you have pointed a thousand times already). But indeed, yes: I assume that "was retrieved in several stages" and "as it was damaged" and "but the vessel equipment managed to pick up the memory unit" are enough pointers to assume that it was in a far worse state then factory new.

This is how the CVR of the Germanwings looks (crashed 24/03/2015):

(photo BEA.aero - AvHerald.com)

[Passenger]

On Jun 17th 2016 Egypt's CAA reported, that the vessel "John Lethbridge" managed to recover the memory module of the second black box, the flight data recorder, too. The memory module is now being transferred to the investigation committee too.

http://avherald.com/h?article=4987fb09&opt=0

[sn26567]

Egypt's Aircraft Accident Investigation Committee started analysing the parts of the black box flight recorders from the crashed EgyptAir plane on Saturday with representatives from France (BEA and Airbus) and the United States (NTSB) in attendance.

The memory units from both the Cockpit Voice Recorder and the Flight Data Recorder were extracted from the devices and were dried in a military facility for eight hours.

The committee is now conducting electrical tests on both memory units which is the step before the start of data extraction.

(FDR left, CVR right)

[sn26567]

Egyptian team of "specialists" is unable to read data from FDR and CVR of EgyptAir MS804; the recorders are being sent to BEA in France for help...

[Stij]

I can t help but thinking they destroyed them completely... to cover something up...

Stij

[Passenger]

I can t help but thinking they destroyed them completely... to cover something up...

The airline has to pay an indemnity (as per the Montreal Convention) of some 129.000 €, no matter what caused the accident. Even when can be proven that a third party has caused the crash. That would only allows Egyptair to recover the indemnity from that third party.

When Egyptair is held responsible, they are forced to pay all additional damage the crash has caused to relatives, including moral damage and loss of income (I once read a 1.000.000 € indemnity was ordered to a widow of a young medical doctor, with children, killed in a crash).

Airlines have insurances for both indemnities. My guess about the ongoing black box issue is not a cover up, but rather a lack of competence. Over-estimation + under-knowledge. Just like the official Egyptian miss-communication during the first days after the crash: how many time have they falsely announced that the aircraft was found?

It's quite a relief that the blackboxes (memory cards) have been send to BEA France.

[sn26567]

Paris prosecutor opens manslaughter inquiry

The Paris prosecutor has opened a manslaughter investigation into last month's EgyptAir plane crash.

A spokeswoman told the Associated Press that it would begin as an accident inquiry because there was no evidence so far to link it to terrorism. The authorities, she said, were "not at all" favouring the theory the Airbus A320 was brought down deliberately.

Source: AP, BBC

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Egyptair investigators say that the flight data recorder memory chip has been successfully repaired.

[Passenger]

Egyptair investigators say that the flight data recorder memory chip has been successfully repaired.

That would be very good news (RIP for the victims).

[sn26567]

Egyptair investigators say that the flight data recorder memory chip has been successfully repaired.

That would be very good news (RIP for the victims).

But here is the bad news: Preliminary information shows entire flight recorded on FDR until recording stopped at 37,000 feet "where the accident occurred".

Apart from the black boxes, recovered wreckage from MS804's front section shows signs of high temperature damage and soot. That seems to confirm the ACARS messages.

[sn26567]

Egyptair investigators say that the repairs of the CVR components have been carried out in France, allowing cockpit voice recorder to be read. Further reading and analysis of FDR and CVR will be carried out in Cairo.

[sn26567]

Audio from the flight deck voice recorder of EgyptAir MS804 indicates an attempt to put out a fire on board the jet before it crashed into the Mediterranean, sources on the investigation committee said on Tuesday.

Earlier analysis of the plane's flight data recorder showed there had been smoke in the lavatory and avionics bay while recovered wreckage from the jet's front section showed signs of high temperature damage and soot.

Source: Reuters

[sn26567]

‘Fire’ mentioned on cockpit voice recorder

Fire was mentioned on the cockpit voice recorder (CVR) of the Egyptair Airbus A320 that crashed into the Mediterranean, but why or where the fire occurred is still not known, according to the latest statement from the Egyptian accident investigation organisation.

Initial evidence gleaned from the flight data recorder (FDR) indicated the A320 experienced smoke in two separate locations on the aircraft before crashing into the sea.

There were reports that messages sent by the A320's aircraft communications addressing and reporting system (ACARS), which sends data on any faults or deviations from the norm to an airline’s home base, indicated the presence of smoke in both an avionics bay under the flight deck and a lavatory.

On July 16, the Egyptian technical investigation committee, which is leading the crash investigation, issued a statement about what it had discovered so far from the CVR.

“The committee [has] unloaded [the] CVR and started listening to the cockpit voice recordings before the occurrence of the accident; where the existence of a ‘fire’ was mentioned. Still, it is too early to determine the reason or the place where that fire occurred,” the statement says.

Additional work on the CVR, the FDR and the recovered debris is continuing.

Source: ATW online

[Passenger]

A small piece of debris found on Haifa beach:


photo Dudi Mark on Ynetnews.com

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 87,00.html

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TNT traces on EgyptAir plane debris split investigators

Investigators from France's institute for criminal research found traces of the explosive material TNT last week in Cairo on debris from an EgyptAir plane that crashed in May, triggering a dispute between French and Egyptian authorities, French newspaper Le Figaro reported on Friday.

The origin of these traces remains unclear and Egyptian judicial authorities did not allow French investigators to examine the debris in detail, Le Figaro said, citing a source close to the investigation.

Egypt wishes to write a joint report with France to validate the presence of TNT on the debris. France has refused to do this because the investigators were not able to carry out an adequate inspection to determine how the traces could have got there, Le Figaro said.

Full report from Reuters: http://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/idUKKCN11M2B4

[luchtzak]

Investigators are now looking at the copilots cellphone that may have caused a fire in the cockpit. The cellphone contained lithium-ion batteries.

[luchtzak]

French investigators have ruled out a terrorist attack, now they are looking into the possible combustion of a tablet near or in the cockpit:

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/egyptai ... st-attack/

[Passenger]

[luchtzak]

Investigation revealed that the flight was downed after one of the pilots lit a cigarette in the cockpit:

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/egyp ... e-cockpit/