I was having a curious look at airliners.net, looking at the interiours of ERJ145/170/175/190/195's and it occurs to me that they seem so peaceful and spacious!!! have a 8O at this picture of the cabins:
What is your opinion about SNBA if they would have to acquire new RJ's What would be the best choice? Should they look at it from an economic point of view and select the cheapest (to buy or operate) aircraft possible, or should they put the emphasis on their targetcustomers (bussinesspeople) and see to it that they offer aircraft with the most comfortable interiours? Let's stick to the RJ's in this topic...
I believe the whole range of ERJ are great planes... and very suitable for the Brussels market.
IF SNBA can get in some ERJ145 for small trunck routes as SXB,TRN, BRS which are currently having loadfactor problems due to 84seats on avro... and ERJ170/175 with 78 seats on the bulk routes. In addition they have the possibility for ERJ190 with 100 seats to fill the gap to their Airbusses. I would only say get rid of those A319 and get in some A320.
From my point of view I understand that Embraer is willing to offer some cost guarantees on the operational costs of the aircraft. Furthermore ERj170/175/190/195 ave fleet communality which reduces maintenance costs and crewing... It's certainly a better plane than those avro's. Although I like the avro looks (BABY JUMBO) !
I would like to see some new jets coming in.... I know it's time for some replacements within 2 years...
Guys, with all the topics around SNBA and ERJ's... don't dream too much, or it could maybe be a dissapointment when the final decision has been taken...
Should they look at it from an economic point of view and select the cheapest (to buy or operate) aircraft possible, or should they put the emphasis on their targetcustomers
Having the slogan "passionate about you" I'm sure they will take the comfort and not only the economics into account.
For the ERJ170 family, well the order book of that plane is quite big for the moment, which means that SN would have to wait quite a long time for those planes if they want some. So don't expect them to join the fleet in the near future.
About the ERJ145's, they could indeed use a few of them. In my opinion SN would only need a small amount of ERJ 145's like 4-5. But having such a few amount of planes in you fleet costs a lot more than operating with Avro's on some routes where the LF's aren't quite high.
About the ERJ145's, they could indeed use a few of them. In my opinion SN would only need a small amount of ERJ 145's like 4-5. But having such a few amount of planes in you fleet costs a lot more than operating with Avro's on some routes where the LF's aren't quite high.
Or why not think about a couple of turboprops like the dash Q series?
They could be used for routes with low LF's , SNBA could finally be present again at LCY, could be used for new routes, and even on longer routes with low LF ( like Tallin, or other routes..)
I think this would be a good a/c for them to operate..
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Or why not think about a couple of turboprops like the dash Q series?
But even if you have some turboprops, you'll have the same problems as with the ERJ's. It costs quite a lot. If it costs less to operate an nearly empty Avro instead of a Dash, they just have to keep the Avro.
They could be used for routes with low LF's , SNBA could finally be present again at LCY
Why not going to LCY with the Avro's But unfortunately VLM has a stronger popularity in LCY
Just a question, is SNBA realisticly looking at getting Emb's to replace the 146's. There are some old a/c in that fleet, so replacing them could safe money i think?
MP-A320 wrote:Just a question, is SNBA realisticly looking at getting
Well a few months ago there was an article over SN in the Air International magazine. There they said that SN was looking at ERJ's, but that nothing was confirmed yet.
These are all speculations and in the end the decision might something totally different
In my opinion they have to ged rid of those costly AVRO jets, it costs as much to operate an avro than it costs a 737. Only 3% difference. So better to buy than a lot of 737's as they have more seats to sell....
But please do not get in those Q400 series jets. They are still experiencing technical difiiculties even when being operated... Bombardier is having to explain a lot these days. Especially Austrian is not happy with their Q400 aircraft. Also looking at the business clients of SNBA, they perceive the jet family as more qualititative as props so better to stick with them..
But please do not get in those Q400 series jets. They are still experiencing technical difiiculties even when being operated...
Indeed, i've read that the q400 series have a low reliability...does anybody have exact figures on that for a specific airline (ex: austrian arrows). Curious to see what their results are compared to other regionals...
I can assure you that it are no favorable lease rates, if you are expecting 25.000 to 75.000 $ per month... I know you are way off.
Block consumption fuel per hour is 750 gallons, even more than 737 which is 720gallons. Maintenance is 25% more expensive with 1,5 engine swaps per day !
Be confident I am pretty sure of these calculations. Just take also a look at the BAE systems website they give a nice maintenance and operating cost calculation for the Bae/Avro...
After having calculated in several models myself the options between ERJ170/CRJ700/Q400/RJ85 I can tell you that including the more expensive lease rates the ERJ has the lowest cost per ASK. Only downside is like previously posted the probably longer delivery time of the type.
FlightSimCrew: your information is the totally opposite of the official figures I got... May I ask you how you got those figures? Inside source? Own calculations?
Wait and see for the official SN announcement (don't know for when it is though).
FlightSimCrew wrote:Block consumption fuel per hour is 750 gallons, even more than 737 which is 720gallons. Maintenance is 25% more expensive with 1,5 engine swaps per day !
Are you sure not to exaggerate on those figures ??? I mean 1.5 engine swap per DAY 8O SN doesn't change 1.5 engines in average on their Avro's each day !!!!! I would really like to see a proof for that
On the other hand I agree that the Avro is quite thirsty, but with which kind of B737 version have you made the comparison ?
FlightSimCrew wrote:
And yes last year SNBA swapped about 375 engines on the entire 33 Avro fleet.
Are those changes done because of checks or do the Avro's have a lot of engine troubles ?
I'vejust done a small calculation. If they've really done 375 engine changes last year, it means that each Avro had on average basis nearly 12 engine changes in one year. Which means that every month each plane had to get a new engine. 8O Your figures are maybe right, but I can't believe this.
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What would be the best choice? Should they look at it from an economic point of view and select the cheapest (to buy or operate) aircraft possible, or should they put the emphasis on their targetcustomers (bussinesspeople) and see to it that they offer aircraft with the most comfortable interiours? Let's stick to the RJ's in this topic...
Your figures are maybe right, but I can't believe this.