Bird strike KLM B777 - 26/05/2004

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 30 May 2004, 16:56

A B777-200ER of KLM (PH-BQA) had a bird strike on the 26th of May 2004, at Porto Alegre/Brazil during its approach.

A proof that it doesn't always happen in Africa and on A330's

Greetz
Chris
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Flying_Dutchman · Post by **Flying_Dutchman** » 30 May 2004, 22:23

That's why the PH-BQA stood friday and yesterday along the road A4, with one engine open, they were doing an inspection.

By the way, is a bird strike dangerous? What kind of consequents does it have?

blackhawk · Post by **blackhawk** » 30 May 2004, 22:29

You can call catering and the passengers will have fresh meat

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 30 May 2004, 22:35

Flying_Dutchman wrote: By the way, is a bird strike dangerous? What kind of consequents does it have?

It all depend on the size of the bird.

If I'm not mistaken you can damge the plane more than just the engine. If you're unluky their might be some parts of the engine that get loose (blades etc...) and may even hit the fuselage.

Loosing an engine is not a critical situation anymore today, but loosing one on final approach or on T/O may be more risky, and as you know bird strikes always happen on T/O or on approach, since birds don't fly at 33,000 ft.

Anyway thta's only my 2 cents, and I'm not an expert.

Greetz
Chris
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bae146be · Post by **bae146be** » 30 May 2004, 23:44

Your information is not correct because KLM does not fly to Porto Alegre, only Varig flies there from Amsterdam.

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 30 May 2004, 23:55

Well, if you look at this shot : http://www.airliners.net/open.file/588557/M/ the picture was taken at Porto Alegre. But in the text it is mentioned something about Sao Paulo, but it isn't clear if the incident happend in GRU or in POA.

Do you know where it happened ???

I'm sorry of the info I gave was false

Greetz
Chris
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A318 · Post by **A318** » 31 May 2004, 18:01

bae146be wrote:Your information is not correct because KLM does not fly to Porto Alegre, only Varig flies there from Amsterdam.

KLM doesn't exist anymore dear friends.
We are talking about Air France/KLM as now available on the stock market!!!
Too bad but true

Erwin

Sabena_690 · Post by **Sabena_690** » 31 May 2004, 18:44

If it hadn't been Air France/KLM, it had been British Airways/KLM. And the same consolidation cutbacks would have been made.

Get over it...

A318 · Post by **A318** » 01 Jun 2004, 12:01

Sabena_690 wrote:If it hadn't been Air France/KLM, it had been British Airways/KLM. And the same consolidation cutbacks would have been made.

Get over it...

Getting a little tired from your replies, I am totally over it and fly other airlines then this french airline.
They already start losing flights in South America started with Caracas thanks to AF.

You better get over the fact that there are people in this world that don't agree with your left orientated mind and the (ofcourse) stupid responses you make.
How can I even respond on a teenager without life experience.
Find another target my dear friend!

Erwin

Sabena_690 · Post by **Sabena_690** » 01 Jun 2004, 16:02

Left-minded? Nah, actually the opposite, but realistic.

You don't want to fly anything starting with an F-reg? Fine for you...

I actually ask myself who the one is without a world view. KLM has been taken over, point. KLM has lost Caracas, and will lose other destinations pretty soon. Point. Just like KLM gets full rights to Manila (which you nicely seem to forget of course). It's your problem if you don't want to accept that KLM was the smallest airline in the LH-AF-KL corner, and that KLM was the airline that asked for consolidation because they can't keep this situation up.

Not my mistake that some people don't seem to accept this for some idiot extreme right nationalistic reason (the proud KLM being taken over by the corrupt French, brrrr).

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 01 Jun 2004, 16:49

OK I can understand your point of view Erwin. You're very sad to see the airline for which you worked, dissapear.
But look at it with a more realistic point of view. Living with the idea that each country has its own airline is living in the past. There will be some more bancrupcies and some more consolidations in Europe I am afraid. SN and SR were the first to leave and KL-AF was the first consolidation. I'm sorry for you and all people who suffered from this merger, but that's the future. In 10 years you'll most probably have LH, BA-IB and AF-KL around in our skies, with the some regionals some low costs and some nieche players.

But now please stop being

fftopic:

Greetz
Chris
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Sabena_690 · Post by **Sabena_690** » 01 Jun 2004, 18:35

You are right, Chris! I'm going to continue this discussion privately with Erwin, since I would like to share some views with him...

What you say is very true: already several years ago, analysts were expecting that KLM was likely going to be a victim of consolidation. A question I ask myself was what would have happened when the merger between AZ and KL would have been a succes...

In 10 years you'll most probably have LH, BA-IB and AF-KL

Can we make BA-IB-SN from that?

Also: AF-KL-AZ

And can we add LX to the list of BA-IB-SN? Or will it eventually be LH-LX?

Woops, we are

fftopic: again!

Frederic

Fiero · Post by **Fiero** » 01 Jun 2004, 19:10

Flying_Dutchman wrote:By the way, is a bird strike dangerous? What kind of consequents does it have?

Sometimes its bad sometimes it isn't.
size of the bird is important but also the place in the engine where the stuw ends up. the outside of the fan isn't more then a blender so mostley it gits some blood on its blades and nothing more. But if it goes through the center being ( compression chamber , turbine , etc ...) than you have a problem but anayway the plane is always grounded and has to be inspected . But to loose blades you have to have a Dog-strike .
hope i made you a bit smarter

greetings

A318 · Post by **A318** » 01 Jun 2004, 19:17

Onur Air had today a bird in it's engine during T/O on the runway in Groningen. They could still aboard the T/O. It taxied back to the gate on it's own power from the other engine. I think they were lucky they could still aboard the T/O. Don't think that an A321 would handle it's T/O very well on one engine!

Erwin

Flying_Dutchman · Post by **Flying_Dutchman** » 01 Jun 2004, 19:34

Thanks Avro and Fiero!!!

It's still bad for an engine and of course sad for the bird.

Fiero · Post by **Fiero** » 01 Jun 2004, 19:40

Wel we always sign a song...
Er is leven , er is leven na de dood... :p
a little farewel speech for the bird

Flying_Dutchman · Post by **Flying_Dutchman** » 01 Jun 2004, 19:53

Fiero wrote:Wel we always sign a song...
Er is leven , er is leven na de dood... :p
a little farewel speech for the bird

LOL...

Onur Air had today a bird in it's engine during T/O on the runway in Groningen. They could still aboard the T/O. It taxied back to the gate on it's own power from the other engine. I think they were lucky they could still aboard the T/O. Don't think that an A321 would handle it's T/O very well on one engine!

Again...something with a turkish charter airline and at the same place. They aren't making good promotion for themself.

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 01 Jun 2004, 19:57

You are right, Chris! I'm going to continue this discussion privately with Erwin, since I would like to share some views with him...

You don't need to do that privetly. I find it a very interesting discussion, it just didn't had its place in this topic

A318 wrote:Don't think that an A321 would handle it's T/O very well on one engine!

Especially when it's fully loaded

Thanks for the nice explanation Fiero.

Er is leven , er is leven na de dood... :p a little farewel speech for the bird

And one day Gaya will come and complain about planes killing birds

Greetz
Chris
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Sabena_690 · Post by **Sabena_690** » 02 Jun 2004, 10:23

Don't think that an A321 would handle it's T/O very well on one engine!

I don't know much about engines, but doesn't an aircraft only get a safety certification when it is able to continue on one engine, even during a climb-out?

Frederic

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 02 Jun 2004, 11:59

Sabena_690 wrote: I don't know much about engines, but doesn't an aircraft only get a safety certification when it is able to continue on one engine, even during a climb-out?

I think you're right Fred. But I'm sure the plane would have some difficulties if it's T/O at MTOW or even with a bit of overload, and if it's a very hot day.

Greetz
Chris
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