mais les prix exigés par l'aéroport bruxellois ont paru trop élevés à la compagnie à bas tarifs. Biac est toutefois prête à négocier et pourrait revoir ses prétentions à la baisse.
Aren't landing rights and passenger taxes the same for everyone? Depending on the size of the airliner a company is flying into BRU?
Can someone explain this please and tell me what BIAC exactly can negociate?
Comet wrote:If EZY do open routes to Brussels, they wouldn't be in competition with SNBA on the routes, as they don't use the same airports, with the exception of Bristol. And there will always be people who prefer the full service of SNBA to the low cost style of EasyJet!
Louise, if you followed the aviation news last days you could have read the top 3 prefered airlines by business travellers in europe:
1) British Airways
2) KLM
3) Easyjet
So if a business traveller likes Easyjet so much on the exisiting routes why shouldn't it be a big competition in Brussels?
Believe me, the service from Easyjet is excellent!
Maybe you should read this once again!!!
Airport charges are determined by the airport... and as any product on the free market they are susceptible to negotiations.
Unless other factors play (politics etc.) the only way BRU could increase its volume is by lowering prices. To determine which strategy would generate most profits, one would need info about the "elasticity" of offer and demand. In other words: do small price changes cause big volume changes or only minor volume changes. Depending on these parameters, it could very well be interesting for BIAC to maintain lower capacity by maintaining high charges. (although I doubt this would be the case in BRU).
Since it is not so common for BRU passengers to go to ORY or AMS for - let's say - a flight to Malaga, nor for the ORY, AMS population to come to BRU for this type of flight, I would say there is certainly a market in BRU for EZY.
Gatwick, Luton and Stansted are also very close to one another... and yet EZY serves some destinations out of every single one of those 3 London airports... Only the "catchment area" counts...
I don't think Easyjet wants to open a base in BRU.
A couple of years they wanted to fly from 3 UK airports to BRU. I think that is their too this time.
If EasyJet were to establish a base in BRU, it would affect existing airlines (ie. SN and Virgin Express) but overall would benefit the consumer by offering more competitive prices and routes.
Would also help to bring back BRU to the level it was a few years ago.
Well just lets hope it is for more then just some flights to Bru. If they really open a hub in Bru it will bring pilot jobs and isn't this what we want?
If they come to Bru it's a good thing for the A320 and B737 pilot's but if you fly Avro.... Last time I spoke with an easyJet captain he told me they do not count 146/Avro hours as jettime. Maybe in the meanwhile they changed their policy.
Greetz
According to http://www.easyjet.com/en/jobs/pilotrec ... ments.html it would indeed appear strange not to take flying hours on Avro/146 into account. They have equivalents for turboprop, prop, airline, multicrew, etc...
It is however likely that with the present expansion, they will need as much experience as possible especially airbus experience. So yes 320 pilots probably have priority, as well as 737 pilots (they are still receiving the last 73G's).
If they come to BRU, most probably a lot of the Belgian EZY pilots will want to come back to BRU. Usually EZY gives their own crews priority...
But I am quite sure there will be possibilities to apply for what must be among the most desirable opportunities on the market now ...
Some airlines may have to review their HR policies if they want to keep their crews ... (this is off course if EZY does come to BRU, which is uncertain for now)
Do you know how many Hollanders depart from BRU ?, you would be surprised !. The airport is full in the morning thanks to those people north.
And if A318 (Erwin) is willing to drive from Holland to Chaleroi for a cheap flight, why not stop in BRU and take an Easyjet flight. Its much closer and more customer friendly.
Why do we need to protect VEX and SN so much !!. VEX is getting smaller, is it so bad we replace them with a stronger candidate ? with much more grow potential...
More passengers not always means more profit for BIAC, but it means more jobs for you and me. More jobs in the aviation industry.
We can protect SN and give them time to grow, but how much time does this company need ?. I say we go for cheaper flights, more passengers, more jobs...... I say yes to Easyjet.
I think, it's great, it will offer Belgian passengers more cheaper prices, maybe a new connection to STN.
Can it also make an chain reaction effect. More passengers is more revenue for the airport, maybe other carriers see with the expansion from EZY to start a service to BRU too.
I don't say no to EZY, but what BRU needs is more long haul flights. And it's not EZY who will attract them. BRU has to grow, and if we want BRU to become a big player in the future you'll need more long haul flights and connecting passangers.
The only company at BRU who could be able to do that is in the future is SN. But therefore it has to grow. If EZY would come, SN would have more difficulties to fill their planes in Y class and that will reduce their income a lot.
BobClaes wrote:
Putting your code on AA flight can be profitable for SN but does it give you more movements, more passengers, more jobs !!!! NO.
First of all, yes it gives you more mouvments since it's a new flight
SN opened that route in colaboration with AA if I'm not mistaken. If SN wouldn't have been there, AA would probably not have opned that route.
Thanks to their strong African network, they (SN) could get interesting for some bigger companies like BA or AA and maybe in the future an Asian partner. If in the future they join oneworld, they can become the gateway to Africa for oneworld like IB is the gateway to South America. And that'll bring you more traffic.
It's not EZY who will create more long haul opportunities which BRU really needs !!!!!
But as I said before it could be interesting if EZY would come to BRU. I only hope they don't open a hub here !!!
Hello Chris,
I could be wrong I guess. It could be Air One also. I must admit it was 3 years ago. But anyway as an A320 pilot this opening is good news. The more carriers in BRU the more jobs.
1V1 wrote:But anyway as an A320 pilot this opening is good news. The more carriers in BRU the more jobs.
I fully agree but only if all the other carriers stay otherwise you will also loose some jobs in those airlines, which will result to the same situation as we have now.
LCC lower the average fares at a certain airport. Lower prices attract more customers. (Historically this effect has been very pronounced on some routes.)
Average lower fares, thus means more passengers (on average) and means more jobs on average....
Hence bancrupcies usually only have temporary effects if they are caused by entry of LCC's.
In other words: LCC (historically) do not only substitute traffic from existing carriers, but also stimulate and expand it...
Greetz
Burner
PS some exceptions do exist for airports losing permanently their connecting traffic after a bancrupcy (like BRU after SN demise)
OK Chris,
But this is Europe now.
First of all my initial question was, is it possible easy would make a hub in Bru. A few replies later I read that SNBA has to be protected and even if BIAC could not refuse easy to come to BRU. If it's not easy in 2005 it will be another company later. If you are afraid of competition no other company can ever be allowed in BRU. Is this possible? If yes then BRU will stay a regional airport between AMS-CDG-FRA.
Don't get me wrong, I never said that EZY shouldn't come to BRU!!
It would be interesting indeed if a LCC would come to BRU. All I hope is that it won't affect any of the Belgian airlines SN/VEX/TCB/TUB too badly.
All I said is basically that SN the full service airline (it's not because it's SN) is in my point of view more important for BRU since it could stimulate the arrival of more long haul flights which are very important for BRU.
I hope my point is clear now, because I didn't wanted to protect SN or any other carrier
First of all my initial question was, is it possible easy would make a hub in Bru.
Yes of course it is possible, and if they come you'll probably see others who will follow. It would maybe be a nice opportunity to re-oipen the C-Pier for all LCC at BRU
THat seems very strange.