Brexit and British Airways, easyJet, Ryanair, et al.

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UK ‘will leave’ EASA, says British Transportation Secretary

The UK will withdraw as a member state of the European Union Aviation Safety Agency after a transition period and shift responsibility for aircraft certification and safety regulation to its own Civil Aviation Authority, British Transportation Secretary Grant Shapps said.

A new way to increase costs! What a stupid decision!

To increase which costs?
If the U.K. wants to remain a member of EASA they will certainly have to pay a contribution to do so.
Why would it be a stupid decision if the UKCAA can do it for the same price?

A contribution of e.g. 10% to the costs of EASA is certainly cheaper than doing 100% of the same job alone at the UK CAA.

[Ozzie1969]

A contribution of e.g. 10% to the costs of EASA is certainly cheaper than doing 100% of the same job alone at the UK CAA.

Certainly ?

I'd like to see the figures that back up your statement.

(I have absolutely no idea one way or the other, to be honest.)

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Here is a British study (published already in 2017 by the Royal Aeronautical Society) that concludes that "the UK should remain within EASA."

https://www.aerosociety.com/media/6797/ ... brexit.pdf

It says a.o. that " A single European certification requirement has reduced costs and time for development, certification and production."

"Far from diminishing UK influence in global aviation, the EASA regime has provided a conduit for UK influence on aviation safety and security within Europe and beyond on behalf of the UK passengers flying on airlines around the world; indeed, the UK has been a major driver of ever-closer alignment on regulatory matters across Europe and the negative impacts of its withdrawal would be felt across the continent, to such an extent that EASA would likely be diminished in stature as an organisation."

It seems that dogmatic decisions of the Boris Johnson government are completely stupid.

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Europe’s transport chief has warned airlines that they must face up to their obligations to overhaul share-ownership structures to continue qualifying for single-market flying rights after Brexit.

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Europe’s transport chief has warned airlines that they must face up to their obligations to overhaul share-ownership structures to continue qualifying for single-market flying rights after Brexit.

Aer Lingus parent IAG says flights will continue after Brexit despite ongoing questions about the impact of EU airline ownership rules on the Irish carrier.

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IAG is confident of meeting all EU regulations relating to its ownership British Airways, it said after the CEO of rival Ryanair suggested it may have to jettison the UK flag carrier after Brexit.

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Airbus CEO Guillaume Faury said a UK split from the EU without a trade deal could threaten the planemaker’s investment plans in the country.

Spain’s government is working on an emergency ‘plan B’ that allows maintaining air connectivity with the UK in the event of a hard Brexit.

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Spain, Ireland and Hungary have tried and failed to loosen EU airline ownership rules in a draft aviation deal with the UK, out of concern about Brexit’s impact on IAG (UK), Ryanair (Ireland) and Wizz Air (Hungary).

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Airbus welcomes the news that an agreement has been reached between the EU and UK, and will continue to work with its many stakeholders in the spirit of collaboration and long-term partnership.

[ticketbuyer]

Ryanair, Wizz Air restrict non-EU voting rights, citing Brexit split

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/ryanair-wiz ... -1.1541859

[TLspotting]

Ryanair restricts voting rights of non-EU shareholders in Brexit move (The Irish Times) :
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/tra ... -1.4446911

[Passenger]

CAA U.K.:

"...The UK-EU trade deal, announced on 24 December 2020, includes agreements on air transport and aviation safety which are due to come into effect at 23.00 GMT on 31 December 2020 when the UK ceases to take part in the EU Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) and other EU institutions. While the agreements involve some elements of continuity, they do not constitute a replication of the UK’s regulatory arrangements as part of the EASA/EU framework. Many sections of the aviation and aerospace industries will face changes after 31 December, as this microsite sets out. We will study the detail of the new agreements and will update relevant pages of the microsite as information becomes clearer about how the new arrangements will work in practice..."

https://info.caa.co.uk/uk-eu-transition/

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IAG has implemented plans to ensure that its EU licensed airlines continue to comply with EU ownership and control rules following Brexit.

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easyJet to set a Permitted Maximum of Relevant Shares of 49.5% in response to Brexit, which represents the maximum permitted level of ownership of the Company’s shares by Relevant Persons.

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CityJet is mulling an AOC in the UK as it is poised for new wet-lease opportunities.

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Aer Lingus has been forced to wet-lease aircraft from British Airways on its Belfast City to London Heathrow route because of “Brexit-related” complications.

[Sandbelter]

Looking back one of the things which wasn't picked up is how it would impact future passenger flows between Ireland and the rest of the EU and the opportunities it would create.

In 2015 AMS was the number 7 destination from DUB, in Q3 2024 is has grown fourfold to be Number 2. In relative terms, 2015 AMS’ traffic equated to 36% of Heathrow’s traffic, it now 64% of Heathrow’s traffic and continuously growing.

DUB - AMS traffic in 2015 was 612,288, in 2024 it should come out about 1.3mln on current trends. A signifigcant driver is passenger traffic bypassing London which can be attributed to the ease of travelling within the EU when connecting intra Europe flights. The same pattern of bypass is evident at the French Ports as well.

Hopefully some someone in Lufthansa Group can see the natural advantages BRU offers for intra Europe connections going forward….advantages AMS seems to be already exploiting.

[fcw]

Looking back one of the things which wasn't picked up is how it would impact future passenger flows between Ireland and the rest of the EU and the opportunities it would create.

In 2015 AMS was the number 7 destination from DUB, in Q3 2024 is has grown fourfold to be Number 2. In relative terms, 2015 AMS’ traffic equated to 36% of Heathrow’s traffic, it now 64% of Heathrow’s traffic and continuously growing.

DUB - AMS traffic in 2015 was 612,288, in 2024 it should come out about 1.3mln on current trends. A signifigcant driver is passenger traffic bypassing London which can be attributed to the ease of travelling within the EU when connecting intra Europe flights. The same pattern of bypass is evident at the French Ports as well.

Hopefully some someone in Lufthansa Group can see the natural advantages BRU offers for intra Europe connections going forward….advantages AMS seems to be already exploiting.

More reliable figures show no change at all!
In 2019, the year before Brexit, there were already more than 1.2m passenders between DUB and AMS and AMS was already the 3rd most popular destination almost on par with number 2, LGW. In terms of comparing with LHR, AMS was with 65.5% more popular in 2019 than in 2024. Compared to 2018 traffic to AMS in 2019 was growing a lot less than traffic to most other airports.
So there’s no evidence whatsoever Brexit had an impact on the traffic flows. Not surprising as the UK was never part of the Schengen zone and travelling through LHR didn’t change with Brexit.

[JOVAN2]

Looking back one of the things which wasn't picked up is how it would impact future passenger flows between Ireland and the rest of the EU and the opportunities it would create.

In 2015 AMS was the number 7 destination from DUB, in Q3 2024 is has grown fourfold to be Number 2. In relative terms, 2015 AMS’ traffic equated to 36% of Heathrow’s traffic, it now 64% of Heathrow’s traffic and continuously growing.

DUB - AMS traffic in 2015 was 612,288, in 2024 it should come out about 1.3mln on current trends. A signifigcant driver is passenger traffic bypassing London which can be attributed to the ease of travelling within the EU when connecting intra Europe flights. The same pattern of bypass is evident at the French Ports as well.

Hopefully some someone in Lufthansa Group can see the natural advantages BRU offers for intra Europe connections going forward….advantages AMS seems to be already exploiting.

Since many years, AMS has presented itself as the 3rd Airport of London.
They fly to so many destinations in UK, many times a day.
SN has... 3 destinations or so. They think the Eurostar takes to many PAX. But indeed, the rest of UK is still very important and if SN wouls ever wake up they could get a fair share of customers from elsewhere in UK.
If ever they wake up ?

[lumumba]

Looking back one of the things which wasn't picked up is how it would impact future passenger flows between Ireland and the rest of the EU and the opportunities it would create.

In 2015 AMS was the number 7 destination from DUB, in Q3 2024 is has grown fourfold to be Number 2. In relative terms, 2015 AMS’ traffic equated to 36% of Heathrow’s traffic, it now 64% of Heathrow’s traffic and continuously growing.

DUB - AMS traffic in 2015 was 612,288, in 2024 it should come out about 1.3mln on current trends. A signifigcant driver is passenger traffic bypassing London which can be attributed to the ease of travelling within the EU when connecting intra Europe flights. The same pattern of bypass is evident at the French Ports as well.

Hopefully some someone in Lufthansa Group can see the natural advantages BRU offers for intra Europe connections going forward….advantages AMS seems to be already exploiting.

Since many years, AMS has presented itself as the 3rd Airport of London.
They fly to so many destinations in UK, many times a day.
SN has... 3 destinations or so. They think the Eurostar takes to many PAX. But indeed, the rest of UK is still very important and if SN wouls ever wake up they could get a fair share of customers from elsewhere in UK.
If ever they wake up ?

Years ago they bought UK Air since then they are very strong on the UK more than forty years of experience and a well-integrated market, it will be very difficult to compete.
I bit like Africa for Brussels Airlines....