Ryanair emergency landing at Charleroi
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VRT Radio is not the only one to carry the aborted take-off story.
"Het Laatste Nieuws" also reports that the plane never became airborne, but that take-off was aborted while the aircraft was still on the runway. The same report is also carried now by the Belga news agency, but Belga in a first wire last night did say that the 737-200 was already airborne and made a successful emergency landing. A bit confusing...
Dave
"Het Laatste Nieuws" also reports that the plane never became airborne, but that take-off was aborted while the aircraft was still on the runway. The same report is also carried now by the Belga news agency, but Belga in a first wire last night did say that the 737-200 was already airborne and made a successful emergency landing. A bit confusing...
Dave
I also heard that news yesterday evening on the radio 8O
But I still have some questions:
It seems that there are 2 different stories??? One of them tells that there was a hydraulic problem, and in the very first post it says that one engine caught fire and that one flap fell
I suppose that the one about the hydraulic problem is more plausible, but I would really like to know what really happened !!!
I'm happy that nothing serious happened, cause that would have been terrible !! And it's certainly not because of the B737-200. Such incidents, can occur with each type of planes.
Chris
8)
But I still have some questions:
It seems that there are 2 different stories??? One of them tells that there was a hydraulic problem, and in the very first post it says that one engine caught fire and that one flap fell
I suppose that the one about the hydraulic problem is more plausible, but I would really like to know what really happened !!!
I'm happy that nothing serious happened, cause that would have been terrible !! And it's certainly not because of the B737-200. Such incidents, can occur with each type of planes.
Chris
8)
According to the report on VTM (Flemish commercial television), it was a gear problem and/or brake system problem just after take off.
The news can be seen from 29th April till appr. 6th May:
http://www.vtm.be/nieuws/index_bekijkonline.htm
Just look for the news of vrijdag 30 april, 19u, and then click on "breedband" (= Telenet) or "modem".
For those who haven't seen it yet: real life pictures of an emergency evacuation!
The news can be seen from 29th April till appr. 6th May:
http://www.vtm.be/nieuws/index_bekijkonline.htm
Just look for the news of vrijdag 30 april, 19u, and then click on "breedband" (= Telenet) or "modem".
For those who haven't seen it yet: real life pictures of an emergency evacuation!
Thanks for the link LX-LGX. It's very impressive 8O
I've heared that there was a France3 (French TV) team on board. It's probably them who filmed the evacuation. That's exceptional, since normally you aren't allowed to do that.
But I really don't understand why Ryanair doesn't want to comment on this incident.
THat's a very bad decision in my opinion !!!!
I've another question: Why isn't the B737 equipped with a Jettison line, to be able to dump the fuel ??? and are all B737 models not able to dump the fuel ?
Greetz
Chris
8)
I've heared that there was a France3 (French TV) team on board. It's probably them who filmed the evacuation. That's exceptional, since normally you aren't allowed to do that.
But I really don't understand why Ryanair doesn't want to comment on this incident.
THat's a very bad decision in my opinion !!!! I've another question: Why isn't the B737 equipped with a Jettison line, to be able to dump the fuel ??? and are all B737 models not able to dump the fuel ?
Greetz
Chris
8)
LX-LGX: Thanks for the link. Nice video footage. Must have been quite scary for the passengers. Although some, including myself, might think 'oh, look at those people, stop whining, nothing happened, there was no real danger' I can very well imagine I'd be as scared as them when you get caught up in a similar real life situation.
Ivan
Ivan
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SAB-OM
didn't see any reports on this in the media...
but there was another emergency last Sunday early afternoon in Charleroi
no info about the company involved (my guess is RYR as they are the only big birds flying there)
aircraft with gear problems was circling to burn fuel and return to EBCI
other flights were in the holding for arrival
RESCUE91 was scrambled in Koksijde dct to GSY (Charleroi VOR)
which is a normal procedure for such emergencies
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and just heard from an Italian colleague that there was also a RYR emergency in Italy this week
but there was another emergency last Sunday early afternoon in Charleroi
no info about the company involved (my guess is RYR as they are the only big birds flying there)
aircraft with gear problems was circling to burn fuel and return to EBCI
other flights were in the holding for arrival
RESCUE91 was scrambled in Koksijde dct to GSY (Charleroi VOR)
which is a normal procedure for such emergencies
--
and just heard from an Italian colleague that there was also a RYR emergency in Italy this week
Yep, it's quite a week for RYR. According to the Flemish newspaper Het Laatste Nieuws (online), the Wednesday evening flight from Dublin to Girona was diverted to Nantes. And also those pax were left stranded at the airport by Ryanair. For those who don't understand Dutch: their flight was already delayed by 5 hours, because RYR had to change their plane. After take off, the crew noticed an oil leak so they diverted to Nantes where pax had to stay another 1 to 2 hours in the plane. Ryanair then wanted to send another plane, but the airport was closed so they were offered a free stay at ... Nantes airport. Pax were offered place mats!
This is the article from Het Laatste Nieuws:
Het incident van donderdagavond met een toestel van de Ierse luchtvaartmaaschappij Ryanair in Charleroi is niet het eerste deze week. Woensdagavond moest een vliegtuig van Ryanair dat van Dublin naar Girona vloog, een noodlanding maken in het Franse Nantes. De passagiers moesten de nacht doorbrengen in het luchthavengebouw. De vlucht naar Girona vertrok met vijf uur vertraging, met een ander toestel dan aanvankelijk was gepland, getuigde een Belgische passagier. De passagiers hadden om 16.45 uur al moeten vertrekken maar dat eerste toestel bleef aan de grond wegens technische problemen. Onderweg kondigde de piloot aan een noodlanding te zullen maken in Nantes. Er was sprake van een olielek. De landing zelf verliep zonder problemen, maar de passagiers mochten pas na 1 à 2 uur het toestel verlaten. Omdat het probleem volgens de piloot erger was dan verwacht, bleef het toestel aan de grond. De passagiers moesten de nacht doorbrengen in de luchthaven. Om te slapen waren sportmatjes voorzien, aldus nog een Belg die aan boord was. Hij verkoos de volgende dag met een andere maatschappij verder te vliegen. Ryanair zegt dat een reservevliegtuig de passagiers is komen oppikken. Maar dat kon pas de volgende ochtend omdat de luchthaven van Nantes 's nachts gesloten is. Hans Karperein zegt namens Ryanair dat het toeval is dat er twee incidenten zijn op een week tijd en dat er geen verband is tussen beide voorvallen. "Veiligheid is een topprioriteit bij Ryanair. Elk vliegtuig dat vertrekt, voldoet aan de internationale veiligheidseisen inzake luchtverkeer." Karperein merkt ook dat Ryanair gemiddeld de jongste vloot heeft van alle Europese luchtvaartmaatschappijen.
Let's hope that at least the Belgian consumer will understand that there's a difference between Low Cost Carriers and Low Budget Carriers, because the Low Budget Carriers do have a customer service.
This is the article from Het Laatste Nieuws:
Het incident van donderdagavond met een toestel van de Ierse luchtvaartmaaschappij Ryanair in Charleroi is niet het eerste deze week. Woensdagavond moest een vliegtuig van Ryanair dat van Dublin naar Girona vloog, een noodlanding maken in het Franse Nantes. De passagiers moesten de nacht doorbrengen in het luchthavengebouw. De vlucht naar Girona vertrok met vijf uur vertraging, met een ander toestel dan aanvankelijk was gepland, getuigde een Belgische passagier. De passagiers hadden om 16.45 uur al moeten vertrekken maar dat eerste toestel bleef aan de grond wegens technische problemen. Onderweg kondigde de piloot aan een noodlanding te zullen maken in Nantes. Er was sprake van een olielek. De landing zelf verliep zonder problemen, maar de passagiers mochten pas na 1 à 2 uur het toestel verlaten. Omdat het probleem volgens de piloot erger was dan verwacht, bleef het toestel aan de grond. De passagiers moesten de nacht doorbrengen in de luchthaven. Om te slapen waren sportmatjes voorzien, aldus nog een Belg die aan boord was. Hij verkoos de volgende dag met een andere maatschappij verder te vliegen. Ryanair zegt dat een reservevliegtuig de passagiers is komen oppikken. Maar dat kon pas de volgende ochtend omdat de luchthaven van Nantes 's nachts gesloten is. Hans Karperein zegt namens Ryanair dat het toeval is dat er twee incidenten zijn op een week tijd en dat er geen verband is tussen beide voorvallen. "Veiligheid is een topprioriteit bij Ryanair. Elk vliegtuig dat vertrekt, voldoet aan de internationale veiligheidseisen inzake luchtverkeer." Karperein merkt ook dat Ryanair gemiddeld de jongste vloot heeft van alle Europese luchtvaartmaatschappijen.
Let's hope that at least the Belgian consumer will understand that there's a difference between Low Cost Carriers and Low Budget Carriers, because the Low Budget Carriers do have a customer service.
I was in that plane
I was in the plane and I can assure you that the problem came due to the flat blocking/broken form the right wing.
Emergency landing Ryanair Charleroi
I was a passenger on the Ryanair flight from Charleroi to Dublin op April 29, 2004 which ended with an emergency landing. There was a news report on the Belgium TV (streamline video). Can anybody help me in getting this file, so that I can view it after it has been removed from the website?
If you wish I can give eyewitness details of the flight.
If you wish I can give eyewitness details of the flight.
, but you can maybe send an e-mail to VTM and ask them if they can sent it to you ..Was the take-off normal?derry wrote:Let me know what types of details you want to hear.
When did the pilot decide to return to CRL and to land?
What was the emergency landing procedure for pax? (Face on the knees? ...)
How the the flight attendants handle the emergency?
Was the landing smooth?
Why did the pilot decide to use the slides?
Were the flight attendants efficient in installing the slides?
How long did the evacuation take? (less or more than the maximum 90 seconds allowed?)
How did one passenger get wounded on the knee?
What happened after the evacuation? Could you eventually catch another flight to your destination? When?
André
ex Sabena #26567
ex Sabena #26567
Are you amazed by the popularity of your site ?luchtzak wrote:It's amazing that 2 passengers who where on that particular flight have found the way to this website 8O
We should ask them how they got to know this site and if that was before or after the Ryanair incident. In fact I'm doing it !
BTW Welcome derry and mschatje
I hope you'll have a troublefree flight on luchtzak 
ciao,
TriStar
They both joined after the incident, and I'm guessing that they found this site via google, because of this incident.L-1011 wrote: We should ask them how they got to know this site and if that was before or after the Ryanair incident. In fact I'm doing it !
Anyway, I'm still looking forward to hear their details from inside the plane
Chris
Here are my answers:
Was the take-off normal?
Boarding was very fast, after the plane landed from the previous flight. The purser looked at her watch; clearly she was in a hurry. The plane looked quite old. But take of was normal as far as I could notice.
When did the pilot decide to return to CRL and to land?
When we just entered the clouds, I heard a strong noise, I thought it was the landing system going back into the plane, but the sound was heavier, and shorter. Then the motors were turning slower, and faster and slower, and we were going down again, flying lower than the clouds. It may have been within 5 minutes after take off. Then the plane made a slow right turn.
What was the emergency landing procedure for pax? (Face on the knees? ...)
The cabin crew was asked by the pilot to come to the cockpit. I realized we had a problem. A pilot traveling as passenger, sitting alone on the first rows (returning home?), joint them a little later, and returned and sat down again. No special expression on his face. After less than a minute they flight attendants returned, trying to smile without success. The crew announced: ”We have a slight problem with the airplane and we will return to Charleroi”. The cabin crew checked the seat belts. When I asked to the purser: ”what happened”, she told me” we will make an emergency landing”. A little later the crew announced: “The emergency services are stand by on the ground”. They showed the emergency exits and later demonstrated the emergency position. So we realized that really something serious was going on. The position was: head down, hands on the back of the head, bending as far as possible forward. Because the lack of space, I had problems to fit between the chairs in that position with my 1.80 m height.
We had enough time to exercise and discuss with my family (we were on a family trip with a group of 9, ages 11 - 82, sitting on the two third rows and the right fourth row, whether or not the elbows should be on the knees or next to them. We looked at the emergency cards. We decided to hold the hands on the knees. My wife asked one flight attendant what to do with the spectacles, because she thought it might a problem to wear them during a hard landing. The flight attendant took the glasses of my sister, to show to all people in the plane not to wear them.
We were told to leave all our belongings when exiting the plane.
There was no panic in the plane. My son and daughter were scared, but quiet.
On the right hand side of the plane I saw the Charleroi airport. The plane flew further quite a long time (to give time to the airport to prepare for emergency?) after a short right turn we started to land. Then we had to sit in the emergency position. During the last minutes, the purser did a very good job by saying every time “brace-brace-brace…..” you are doing ok” brace-brace-brace ….” So I felt being in contact with somebody. But me and many others thought she was saying “breath”, I was thinking maybe because of lack of pressure or oxygen. Only English with accent was spoken, no French or Dutch. The sound system was very poor (not loud and clear enough).
How the flight attendants handle the emergency?
see above. The three flight attendants were Suzan (purser), Claire (just 6 days employed) and Stephanie.
Was the landing smooth?
The landing was very hard. And immediately strong deceleration using the brakes not the motors: these were quiet. The landing was very long. The plane stopped. People started to clap hands. For a moment it was quiet. Then the cabin crew opened the doors, immediately opening the slides as well. We were eager to leave and not to take any belongings. Also this went orderly. I used the left front slide. When I glided and landed on the ground (a horizontal part on the glide was not there, as was shown on the cards in the plane, so landing was hard)) I saw two fire workers running at me to assist people landing after me. I saw ambulances, sirens, and fire trucks all around. I realized it was really serious. I saw smoke, I waited for my family. We walked fast away from the plane, maybe it could explode. I counted my family members, 5 on my side, and 4 on the other side of the plane. We were safe.
Why did the pilot decide to use the slides?
I don’t know, but it appeared that the decisions were already made in the air.
Were the flight attendants efficient in installing the slides?
That went indeed very fast, and automatic. You heard a strong psss, when the air entered immediately in the slide.
How long did the evacuation take? (less or more than the maximum 90 seconds allowed?)
I don’t know but I would guess that it was longer.
How did one passenger get wounded on the knee?
There were actually two that I know of. One woman had a knee wound with blood, apparently falling on the ground, and my mother was the second. She fell on the ground from the slide; she was one of the first on the right front slide, before any help was there. During our holiday she could not walk, she has now serious problems.
What happened after the evacuation? Could you eventually catch another flight to your destination? When?
The Charleroi Airport did a good job, The crew did a good job, but Ryanair was absent: and example of very bad service to people that had such a bad life experience. We are angry. This is a long story, I will give it later.
I found your site because I was looking for more information on the accident. I became a member of your forum because you all show the interest in the accident and the passenger’s experiences, which was not shown by Ryanair
Was the take-off normal?
Boarding was very fast, after the plane landed from the previous flight. The purser looked at her watch; clearly she was in a hurry. The plane looked quite old. But take of was normal as far as I could notice.
When did the pilot decide to return to CRL and to land?
When we just entered the clouds, I heard a strong noise, I thought it was the landing system going back into the plane, but the sound was heavier, and shorter. Then the motors were turning slower, and faster and slower, and we were going down again, flying lower than the clouds. It may have been within 5 minutes after take off. Then the plane made a slow right turn.
What was the emergency landing procedure for pax? (Face on the knees? ...)
The cabin crew was asked by the pilot to come to the cockpit. I realized we had a problem. A pilot traveling as passenger, sitting alone on the first rows (returning home?), joint them a little later, and returned and sat down again. No special expression on his face. After less than a minute they flight attendants returned, trying to smile without success. The crew announced: ”We have a slight problem with the airplane and we will return to Charleroi”. The cabin crew checked the seat belts. When I asked to the purser: ”what happened”, she told me” we will make an emergency landing”. A little later the crew announced: “The emergency services are stand by on the ground”. They showed the emergency exits and later demonstrated the emergency position. So we realized that really something serious was going on. The position was: head down, hands on the back of the head, bending as far as possible forward. Because the lack of space, I had problems to fit between the chairs in that position with my 1.80 m height.
We had enough time to exercise and discuss with my family (we were on a family trip with a group of 9, ages 11 - 82, sitting on the two third rows and the right fourth row, whether or not the elbows should be on the knees or next to them. We looked at the emergency cards. We decided to hold the hands on the knees. My wife asked one flight attendant what to do with the spectacles, because she thought it might a problem to wear them during a hard landing. The flight attendant took the glasses of my sister, to show to all people in the plane not to wear them.
We were told to leave all our belongings when exiting the plane.
There was no panic in the plane. My son and daughter were scared, but quiet.
On the right hand side of the plane I saw the Charleroi airport. The plane flew further quite a long time (to give time to the airport to prepare for emergency?) after a short right turn we started to land. Then we had to sit in the emergency position. During the last minutes, the purser did a very good job by saying every time “brace-brace-brace…..” you are doing ok” brace-brace-brace ….” So I felt being in contact with somebody. But me and many others thought she was saying “breath”, I was thinking maybe because of lack of pressure or oxygen. Only English with accent was spoken, no French or Dutch. The sound system was very poor (not loud and clear enough).
How the flight attendants handle the emergency?
see above. The three flight attendants were Suzan (purser), Claire (just 6 days employed) and Stephanie.
Was the landing smooth?
The landing was very hard. And immediately strong deceleration using the brakes not the motors: these were quiet. The landing was very long. The plane stopped. People started to clap hands. For a moment it was quiet. Then the cabin crew opened the doors, immediately opening the slides as well. We were eager to leave and not to take any belongings. Also this went orderly. I used the left front slide. When I glided and landed on the ground (a horizontal part on the glide was not there, as was shown on the cards in the plane, so landing was hard)) I saw two fire workers running at me to assist people landing after me. I saw ambulances, sirens, and fire trucks all around. I realized it was really serious. I saw smoke, I waited for my family. We walked fast away from the plane, maybe it could explode. I counted my family members, 5 on my side, and 4 on the other side of the plane. We were safe.
Why did the pilot decide to use the slides?
I don’t know, but it appeared that the decisions were already made in the air.
Were the flight attendants efficient in installing the slides?
That went indeed very fast, and automatic. You heard a strong psss, when the air entered immediately in the slide.
How long did the evacuation take? (less or more than the maximum 90 seconds allowed?)
I don’t know but I would guess that it was longer.
How did one passenger get wounded on the knee?
There were actually two that I know of. One woman had a knee wound with blood, apparently falling on the ground, and my mother was the second. She fell on the ground from the slide; she was one of the first on the right front slide, before any help was there. During our holiday she could not walk, she has now serious problems.
What happened after the evacuation? Could you eventually catch another flight to your destination? When?
The Charleroi Airport did a good job, The crew did a good job, but Ryanair was absent: and example of very bad service to people that had such a bad life experience. We are angry. This is a long story, I will give it later.
I found your site because I was looking for more information on the accident. I became a member of your forum because you all show the interest in the accident and the passenger’s experiences, which was not shown by Ryanair