Dispersion plan has changed (again)

killerwhale65 · Post by **killerwhale65** » 04 May 2004, 18:42

just heard on the news that due to complaints of people living on the east side, the dispersion plan will undergo some changes again.

Tristar500 · Post by **Tristar500** » 04 May 2004, 18:50

Yeah heared it too, people living here are going crazy about it....
What I find very hippocritical is the fact that alot of the people who complain, fly with planes regulary themselves, so i think that they shouldn't complain so much, and just face the fact that planes are just a part of our beautiful modern world

I myself don't mind the planes at all, i can spot from my backgarden, but im afraid Im one of the only ones who supports that view

Joost

killerwhale65 · Post by **killerwhale65** » 04 May 2004, 18:53

hmmm, i just found out that i was wrong about the rway usage in some of my previous posts regarding this matter. On saturdays, i always claimed that 02/07 was in use, but i just see that this is only on odd (oneven) weeks. Even weeks have 25's in use. At least i the winds are ok.

My apologies 8)

Vonsmalhausen · Post by **Vonsmalhausen** » 04 May 2004, 20:26

wellll, ..... it's not the first change of the plan,.................and it won't be the last

...impossibel plans don't die,.... they just fade away

Tristar500 · Post by **Tristar500** » 04 May 2004, 20:32

last thing I heared about it was this morning, they wnat to redo the plan, but not by politicians, like Anciaux because the the opposition only accuse him of being a "flamingant" and other things....
Now they want a commision that is privately and neutrally run to dicide what happens......I wonder if that is possible

Joost

TWA · Post by **TWA** » 04 May 2004, 20:50

do certainly NOT vote for this crybaby on June 13 and the plan will fade away for sure.

TWA

MR · Post by MR » 04 May 2004, 22:14

Last sunday I was sitting in Grimbergen outdoors on a terass taking lunch as losts of airliners passed over. Some people almost complained about the noise as the patron of the restaurant passed by for some remarks. 'First of all', he said,' a real Grimbergenaar does not complain about the off-taking aeroplanes, it are the new inhabitants that make a political case of it. By the way, the small aerodrome EBGB was closed some years ago by those new complaining Grimbergenaars, not by us who live here for decades. If we go on holidays, we are happy to take the plane.'
greetz
Carlo

Tristar500 · Post by **Tristar500** » 04 May 2004, 22:22

very good point carlo!!!

Post by **sn26567** » 05 May 2004, 09:33

It is true that the inhabitants of the East side, who had 'normal traffic' for years, never complained too much in the past. But the Anciaux plan, combined with North/East winds for most of April, put a maximum of planes above their heads for most of the month.

As nothing is simple in Belgium, they will keep changing the plan according to who makes the loudest complaints relayed by the highest level politicians.

Instead of applying the solution used in most countries in the world: use the route that flies over the least inhabited areas, and pay those people whatever is necessary to properly insulate their homes.

You bet

L-1011 · Post by **L-1011** » 05 May 2004, 11:47

Very wise words André

Captain · Post by **Captain** » 05 May 2004, 15:56

I have no sympathy for people who move to a house either close to an airport or on the flight path. Many of them are attracted by the lower prices and later complain about noise caused by planes!

You can't get it all!

Captain

Post by **sn26567** » 05 May 2004, 16:25

Captain wrote:I have no sympathy for people who move to a house either close to an airport or on the flight path. Many of them are attracted by the lower prices and later complain about noise caused by planes!

Captain, this was not the case for the people living in the East side (Tervuren, Wezembeek-Oppem, Kraainem, Woluwe). They had a reasonably quiet neighborhood, except when there were landings on 02 by North or East wind. Anciaux changed it all. Their often expensive houses have lost a lot of value, and Bert is certainly not going to compensate.

Tristar500 · Post by **Tristar500** » 05 May 2004, 19:49

sn26567 wrote: Their often expensive houses have lost a lot of value, and Bert is certainly not going to compensate.

I think that this is the deeper reason for the complaints......My parents complain for that reason too, but for the noise they are, like me, very realistic, we are regular flyers, so if we use the plane, we make noise too...

Joost

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 05 May 2004, 20:46

There are different reasons for all these problesm linked with the noise of the planes.

But according to me the core problem is due to something totally different.

You could say that airlines and customers (say DHL and companies) are working in a economic market. The one that is offering its service is DHL, and the one which is asking for such a service are all kinds of companies which need that service. They peacefully work in this market and have no problems at all. But here's the problem. The inhabitants - a third party which isn 't involved in the market - are suffering from noise the planes are doing. This mean that the population will have to face negative externalities against them to enable a market to survive.

Since the inhabitants aren't involved in the market, they won't be satisfied since they will have to suffer and having nothing in compansation. On the other side, you'll have the copanies, who will neglect the issue, since the externalities won't affect them.
To solve such issues, you need the help of authorities, who can do various things . But unfortunately it seems that our authorities are very incompetant

This being said, there are in my opinion people who shouldn't have the right to complain at all. Just look around the airport and count the number of houses that have been built the last few years 8O . Now that all those people have bought the cheap ground, they want also the planes to move away :shakehead: I'm afraid that's not the way it should work. And as you say in french " On ne peut pas avoir le beurre et l'argent du beurre" .

I still hope that the government will be able to find a solution!!!!!

Greetz
Chris
8)

killerwhale65 · Post by **killerwhale65** » 06 May 2004, 13:09

Chris, i do not think that the third party you talk about (inhabitants) is not involved in the market. There must be dozens of inhabitants that have a job there, so i think they are (partly) involved.

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 06 May 2004, 16:08

Yes but not directly, and don't forget it's ot the people who work with DHL that are complaining, but people which don't bother about the jobs at the airport.

Chris