Ryanair emergency landing at Charleroi

Flying_Dutchman · Post by **Flying_Dutchman** » 29 Apr 2004, 20:24

From what I just heard: A Ryanair plane, EI-CJC, has made an emergency landing at Brussels Charleroi after it had lost a flap just after take off for Dublin, dumped fuel before it returned to Charleroi, and an engine cought fire. It's blocking the runway and the airport is/was closed. Does anyone have more info

LX-LGX · Post by **LX-LGX** » 29 Apr 2004, 20:55

it has indeed been confirmed by BSCA: according to Le Soir online, the airport is closed since 18h00:

L'aéroport de Gosselies est momentanément fermé, pour une période encore indéterminée, a indiqué Pierre Fernémont, porte-parole de BSCA, la société de gestion de l'aéroport. Deux vols ont déjà été redirigés vers l'aéroport de Liège. Cette décision est intervenue après le problème rencontré par un Boeing 737-200, vers 18h00, alors qu'il était en phase de décollage vers Dublin.

(Ik heb nog geen bericht gezien op een Nederlandstalige nieuwssite).

Jense · Post by **Jense** » 29 Apr 2004, 21:33

So, that's the reason why I saw a Ryanair overflying my school

But, what strange is: why did the pilot no return to Dublin

And another question of me: shouldn't they better retire that plane from the fleet?

greettzzz

ILS25L · Post by **ILS25L** » 29 Apr 2004, 21:43

Following link shows a (little picture) of the plane on the apron at CRL
http://www.gras-spotters.nl/EICJCRyanaircharleroi.jpg
There were actually spotters from GRAS on board !
Greetz, Karl

pilatus · Post by **pilatus** » 29 Apr 2004, 21:53

Jense, if you take off and have a technicall problem you return to your departure airport like they did. They took off at CLI and returned also there. Only in case of weather below landing minima you go to your take off alternate.
And your second question: Why have thay to retire the aircraft? Because it had a technicall problem? Think a lot of aircrafts would be retired in that case.

Greetz,

Diverdriver

blackhawk · Post by **blackhawk** » 29 Apr 2004, 21:56

I hope these spotters made some great shots

Captain · Post by **Captain** » 29 Apr 2004, 22:02

Nice to be able to see a picture so quickly after incident.

What is the standard time to evacuate a plane comparable to a B737-200 in an emergency.

Looking forward to more stories in the press tomorrow.

Captain

Flying_Dutchman · Post by **Flying_Dutchman** » 29 Apr 2004, 22:07

pilatus wrote:....And your second question: Why have thay to retire the aircraft? Because it had a technicall problem? Think a lot of aircrafts would be retired in that case.

Well I think maybe they can fix the problem, otherwise they should retire him because EI-CJC is an older type B737 (exactly B737-204).

OO-SBZ · Post by **OO-SBZ** » 29 Apr 2004, 22:39

Believe it or not, I could spot this old yellow bird yesterday evening in Stansted. She was operating a London-Dublin service.

By the way most Ryanair flights to/from CRL are diverted to LGG

Arrivals
Update Time : 29-04 22:27 LOCAL TIME
DATE HEURE N DE VOL ORIGINE ESTIMATION STATUT PORTE
29-04 21:15 RYR4525 ORIO AL SERIO 21:02 LANDED
29-04 21:08 RYR6907 GIRONA 21:19 LANDED
29-04 21:46 RYR48Q DUBLIN INTL 21:46 EXPECTED

Departures
Update Time : 29-04 22:27 LOCAL TIME
DATE HEURE N DE VOL ORIGINE ESTIMATION STATUT PORTE
29-04 19:55 RYR3747 SAN GIUSTO 20:56 DEPARTED
29-04 21:15 RYR6055 S.ANGELO MIL 21:20 DEPARTED
29-04 23:30 RYR4526 ORIO AL SERIO 23:30 EXPECTED

Regards

BeN

AN124 · Post by **AN124** » 29 Apr 2004, 23:00

Some more info posted on the DSML mailinglist by a friend of the GRAS spotters.

During take-off they heard a loud bang inside the plane and the flaps where extended.
The plane was flying really low and didn't climb any furhter.
The landing became a emergency landing with lights off and all persons aboard in the emergency landing position.

The plane was dwarling a bit over the runway after the landing. THis is what was said in this email.

Best Regards,
Yvo

TCAS_climb · Post by **TCAS_climb** » 29 Apr 2004, 23:05

If my memory still serves me right, to be certified for public transportation it must be demonstrated that an airliner can be evacuated in less than 90 seconds using only half of the exits. Which means they run "fake-evacuations" during the certification process and see how long it takes to get everybody out.

To better simulate the panic of the pax and to train cabin crews to crowd control, only a certain number of the people who managed to get out first get a bonus (usually a few US dollars). Before someone invented this trick, those "fake-evacuations" were running quite smoothly, but once they introduced money in the game the evacs became reaaaally wild. Much more like the real thing !

Fuji-Monster · Post by **Fuji-Monster** » 30 Apr 2004, 00:35

Fuel dumping on 737 ?

petarn · Post by **petarn** » 30 Apr 2004, 00:45

Yes, you don't can dump fuel on a 737!

Fuji-Monster · Post by **Fuji-Monster** » 30 Apr 2004, 00:58

@ petarn ... what do you mean ?

Yes, you can dump fuel on a 737.
or
No, you can't dump fuel on a 737.

Buzz · Post by **Buzz** » 30 Apr 2004, 01:00

Ryanair is retiering the 732, last one to go next year... The 733's from Buzz Stansted LTD are to be fased out by 2007... for detailed information, see Ryanair.com, investor relations, presentations, and click on the newest one, then slide 26.

Isn't every plane able to dump fuel? You have to lose weight before landing if you just took off, because the plane is to heavy with all the fuel still on board... Or am I wrong?

Captain · Post by **Captain** » 30 Apr 2004, 01:12

Buzz wrote: Isn't every plane able to dump fuel? You have to lose weight before landing if you just took off, because the plane is to heavy with all the fuel still on board... Or am I wrong?

Weight is off course an important factor, but during "many" crashes more people die of burns and smoke suffocation than of the actual impact itself.

One of the main points of dumping fuel is to make sure the plane lands with the minimum amount of fuel possible in the event of the plane crashing and the fuel igniting.

Captain

pilatus · Post by **pilatus** » 30 Apr 2004, 01:15

No, not all airliners can dump. If the difference between MTOW and MLW isn't to big they do an "Overweight landing", or if the emergency doesn't asks for an ASAP landing they even stay circling till the fuel is burnt of.

Greetz,

Diverdriver

Fuji-Monster · Post by **Fuji-Monster** » 30 Apr 2004, 01:34

Just to keep you informed on the 737.
The 737 can NOT dump fuel.

Allnipponairways · Post by **Allnipponairways** » 30 Apr 2004, 02:22

hopefully the flap did not injure someone on the ground ,looks like no person asked that ... and they should retire thos 200 as soon as possible they are getting old ... i would not like to be in a 737-200 ..

greets

arthurv · Post by **arthurv** » 30 Apr 2004, 09:36

strange that on the VRT radio news they keep on reporting that the Ryanair 737-200 had an 'aborted take-off' due to 'a landing gear problem' (smoke from the tire(s) ), the plane 'didn't become airborne' and 'came to a full stop before the end of the runway' ...

However, the trustworthy newspaper "The Standaard" confirms the GRAS spotters report:

"The Standaard" : "The crew spotted smoke coming from the landing gear during take-off. Due to a hydrolic problem, the landing gear and brake system did not work optimally anymore (note from arthurv: and so did the flaps probably, resulting in the fully extended flaps...). After a successful landing, passengers had to leave the aircraft via emergency sliding exits ("glijbanen"), nobody got hurt.

Due to the incident, Charleroi-Brussels South was closed for several hours. Last night, the tires of the plane were replaced, and the leaked hydrolic oil was removed from the runway. (edit: changed 'the' to 'an'

An aircraft departed at 06:30.

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