ANA orders the Boeing 7E7

BBKing · Post by **BBKing** » 26 Apr 2004, 10:59

Today ANA announced and Boeing confirmed the purchase of 50 Boeing 7E7's ...

ANA is the launch customer fo Boeing's newest kid.

Post by **sn26567** » 26 Apr 2004, 13:41

See story here: https://www.aviation24.be/article4231.html

Jense · Post by **Jense** » 26 Apr 2004, 14:30

8O 8O 8O 8O 8O
50 7E7's 8O
Quite a good order for Boeing, I hope some of them would come to BRU one day

(Dreaming isn't bad

)
Anyway, it's good to see that Boeing is still allive

greettzzz

mrocktor · Post by **mrocktor** » 26 Apr 2004, 15:07

Yes indeed! This should keep the game interesting for another 10 years...

Peter

Allnipponairways · Post by **Allnipponairways** » 26 Apr 2004, 17:55

Very interesting , i will ask when they will get it and then i can let you guys know if they ever going to fly om brussels
anyway i hope they will do in the next ten years then i request only japan brussels japan flights ..lol more at home then away ...

greets

by the way flying tomorrow so let you guys know soon

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 26 Apr 2004, 20:53

That's a very interesting news !!!! It's nice to see that the 7E7 program has finally its launch customer. But 50 planes, isn't that much for ANA

Anyway, I hope the program to be very succesfull. (But I don't like the windows on that plane

)

Chris

A318 · Post by **A318** » 26 Apr 2004, 22:37

12 more airlines are interested and already received their offer from Boeing. ANA will receive their first 7E7 in 2008 and will be indeed their launch customer.
This is the biggest launch order Boeing ever had in it's history, it looks like Boeing made the right choice with their 7E7, good to hear and what a plane what a plane

Greetz,

Erwin

nwa757 · Post by **nwa757** » 26 Apr 2004, 23:16

I am glad that someone has finally bought the 7E7. Now, I think, more airlines will start to order the 7E7, because it seems like Boeing is actually commited to this project and it won't turn out like the Sonic Cruiser.

Post by **sn26567** » 27 Apr 2004, 09:53

Avro wrote:But 50 planes, isn't that much for ANA

Don't forget that there are three basic models for the 7E7 (-3, -8, -9). ANA bought two of them, with quite different characteristics. They should replace the 757, 767 and DC10.

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 27 Apr 2004, 17:17

You're right André, I forgot that when I wrote my message.

Chris

Flying_Dutchman · Post by **Flying_Dutchman** » 27 Apr 2004, 17:32

The 7E7 looks so small

I've heard in the news that the 7E7 is a kind of rival of the airbus A380 (if I look to the seize of both aircraft, I can't compare these with each other...). The idea of airbus is to make big aircrafts that flies the passengers to a big central airport (e.g.) somewhere in Europe, and from that central point are passengers able to make a transit to a smaller aircraft what brings them to their destination, so the smaller airports. I couldn't remember it so good, because it was short news.

Allnipponairways · Post by **Allnipponairways** » 27 Apr 2004, 23:41

it looks like a nice airplane and hopefully they put not full economy on it ... but once the models are being made in real we will know how big it is ... hopefully news soon, any idea anybody when testmodel will fly ??

greets

Post by **Apuneger** » 27 Apr 2004, 23:53

I really think this is good news for Boeing.

By the way, I can't stop thinking that the 7E7 looks like a combination of current aircraft (the overall fuselage/wing concept, engines underneath the wings,...) and science-fiction aircraft (cockpit windows, vertical tailplane,...).

Ivan

Buzz · Post by **Buzz** » 28 Apr 2004, 00:34

The 7E7 is in no way a competitor to the a380 ! Boeing believes in small point to point routes, Airbus focuses on the bigger routes from slot-restrained airports with the a380. An a380 can hold 555 people, the 7E7 200-300, depending on version.

I love the design, modern good looking airplane (it sometimes looks like a big EMBREAR190 though).

The 7E7 is meant to replace 767-300 & -200, and the a321
(found on A.net)
" Today’s 7E7 order will lead to the eventual replacement of ANA’s fleet of 61 medium-sized aircraft – 52 Boeing 767-300s, 2 Boeing 767-200s, and 7 Airbus A321s -- with 50 Boeing 7E7-3 (short haul) and 7E7-8 (long haul) models. The exact delivery schedule and mix is to be determined this summer."
http://www.ana.co.jp/eng/aboutana/press ... 40426.html
Isn't it odd that they replace 61 aircraft with 50 new ones? Or will there be a follow up order? I would expect ANA to expand rather then to shrink over the next five years... any thoughts?

mrocktor · Post by **mrocktor** » 28 Apr 2004, 18:39

I'm going out on a limb here, but expect the curvy widshield (particularly the angled frame) and the wavy tail surface to be dropped when the plane starts to "get real".

In regards to the aircraft's performance, I'm a bit skeptic that they can make a plane thats 20% cheaper to operate, costs the same as a 767, uses unproven technology both in the engines and on the airframe and all of this in less then 5 years.

I see a few scenarios playing out:

- They meet their performance specs but blow their price and timeframe estimates

- They go for less ambitious performance gains and use more proven technology and meet cost/time predictions.

Note that in the first case they still can market the plane for the price they announced - but won't be making too much money off it. Considering their current predicament in the marketplace I wouldn't say thats improbable.

Peter

Allnipponairways · Post by **Allnipponairways** » 30 Apr 2004, 02:19

well we will all see when it comes out , they just orderd it on paper and the real thing they get to see in 2 years only they said here in japan so .. we will see ...

greets

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 30 Apr 2004, 14:22

I agree with you mrocktor. Boeing tells everybody that the 7E7 will be made out of a " new technology", which seems great. But they never say what this new technology really consists of

I know they probably want to keep it a secret for some time, but what could this new "revolutionary" technology, be made of ????

Greetz
Chris
8)

Allnipponairways · Post by **Allnipponairways** » 12 May 2004, 17:42

anyway we are getting it so im happy t get out of the 747 AS THEY ARE OLD so i dont die very soon falling from skies ... by 2008 the pokemon will be 25 years old ....

JA 8962 ( POKEMON JET )

maybe you dont see him a lot as he is in techniks 3/4 of month ..

greets