Air France new millenials subsidiary is called Joon

[luchtzak]

About the uniforms, website Upinthesky.nl says: "The airline targets youngsters, looking at the flight attendants uniforms. It's not a traditional uniform, but they look like hipsters in coffee bar!"

Do they have to work at Joon until 60 ? or is that age-restricted

http://www.upinthesky.nl/2017/11/30/air ... we-routes/

[Passenger]

About the uniforms, website Upinthesky.nl says: "The airline targets youngsters, looking at the flight attendants uniforms. It's not a traditional uniform, but they look like hipsters in coffee bar!"

For me, Joon qualifies for the Marketing Blunder of the Year. By presenting themselves that strongly as an airline, made for the 18-35's, they discourage passengers above 50-60. I wonder if they know the average passengers age for their three destinations outside Europe: Cairo, Cape Town and Tehran. Most of the passengers now using Air France will not switch to Joon.

[luchtzak]

Millennials flying to Tehran ?

[sean1982]

That must be the ugliest uniform in the sky

Passenger, looking a BA pax profile for CPT and CAI: First and business class: Older public, economy plus and economu: young people .... so both work

[luchtzak]

Official airline team song, earwig - oorworm
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[Passenger]

Millennials flying to Tehran ?

Female crew in that outfit to Tehran?

[TLspotting]

Joon's PNC "à bout de souffle", near to strike.

https://lexpansion.lexpress.fr/actualit ... 50196.html

[Homo Aeroportus]

Actually the article refers to PNC, Personnel Navigant Commercial, Cabin Crew or Flight Attendants.
PNT is Personnel Navigant Technique, Flight Crew or Pilots (and Flight Engineers, err never mind).

Harsh working condition for "Stewards and Hostesses". Cabin crew are exhausted.

A CCM reports fatigue and repeated sinusitis due to air conditioning in the aircraft.
Aaah, were are the days you could open a window and breath fresh air?


H.A.

[TLspotting]

Actually the article refers to PNC, Personnel Navigant Commercial, Cabin Crew or Flight Attendants.
PNT is Personnel Navigant Technique, Flight Crew or Pilots (and Flight Engineers, err never mind).

Harsh working condition for "Stewards and Hostesses". Cabin crew are exhausted.

A CCM reports fatigue and repeated sinusitis due to air conditioning in the aircraft.
Aaah, were are the days you could open a window and breath fresh air?


H.A.

Yes I only remarked my mistake... Sorry!

If we could only open a window in mid air, it would be nice

[luchtzak]

"Un rythme intenable et des paies qui ne suivent pas."

"An unallowable pace and low wage."

Sad ....

[sn26567]

So, if I understand correctly, the millennials show is only an excuse to launch an airline with lower wages and higher productivity than Air France, thus saving on personnel costs.

[Desert Rat]

Yes, only the pilots are air france staff.
Air France, where the pilots salary is function of the speed and weight of the A/C (authentic).

[Poiu]

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Air France, where the pilots salary is function of the speed and weight of the A/C (authentic).

A bit simplistic!
In many airlines, pilots earn more if the fly bigger aircraft.

[Poiu]

So, if I understand correctly, the millennials show is only an excuse to launch an airline with lower wages and higher productivity than Air France, thus saving on personnel costs.

Indeed, exactly the same as Eurowings, Vueling, Iberia Express....

[Desert Rat]

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Air France, where the pilots salary is function of the speed and weight of the A/C (authentic).

A bit simplistic!
In many airlines, pilots earn more if the fly bigger aircraft.

Yes true, but AF is the only one incorporating the speed factor, brought by the"Concorde"...

[Passenger]

Le Figaro: "...Une bougie d'anniversaire, mais pas deux pour la jeune compagnie Joon. Benjamin Smith, le nouveau PDG du groupe Air France-KLM et PDG intérimaire d'Air France, a décidé de mettre fin à l'aventure en bleu et blanc de la dernière-née d'Air France, ses hôtesses et stewards en marinières, tennis et doudounes. Le concept de compagnie «hybride» - ni low-cost ni classique - imaginé il y a un an pour aider Air France à se maintenir sur des lignes déficitaires n'a pas convaincu. La nouvelle équipe à la tête du groupe ne voit pas d'avenir à ce concept «ni ni», dont le modèle économique repose uniquement sur le statut des personnels navigants commerciaux (PNC)... Selon nos informations, la disparition de Joon est aujourd'hui actée. Mais la décision n'a pas encore été abordée en conseil d'administration. Le sort des 550, et même bientôt 700 hôtesses et stewards, recrutés tout spécialement pour voler sur cette compagnie à des conditions moins généreuses que chez Air France, n'est pas..."

http://www.lefigaro.fr/societes/2018/11 ... e-joon.php

[luchtzak]

Aviation24.be picked up the story and wrote an item on Joon: https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/air- ... llennials/

[luchtzak]

I am 40 years old and I am also hyperconnected

An American study proves that 1 out of 3 passengers over 40 travels at least every year, and 50% at least once per 6 months.

For 60+ that's 36% at least every year and 40% at least every 6 months.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/316 ... us-by-age/

if you are creating an airline based on age, that's a terrible marketing idea ...

If you are creating an airline besides Air France (or Hop!) it means that YOU ARE creating an airline to attack low cost carriers.

This was my view before the launch of the airline.

[sn26567]

Air France-KLM will be asked to pay a €40 million penalty to the French national airline pilots union in order to repay their efforts in helping launch Joon, should the Group move forward with the closure.