Will DHL Cargo move to Leipzig ?

[luchtzak]

According to Flemish business-newspaper 'De Tijd' the German government offered DHL Cargo 70 million Euro if DHL decides to move to Leipzig in Germany.

After the newspaper announced the news this Friday (16/04/2004) the Belgian government is planning to invest 25 million Euro into facilities in and around Zaventem Airport.

Meanwhile DHL Unions are concerned about the loss of jobs...

The future will tell if DHL will leave Brussels Airport ....

[Avro]

I hope that DHL will stay ate BRU and be able to expand.

If the government allows DHL to expand there is no doubt that they'll stay. I've heard on the readio that they still prefer BRU.

But if the government won't do anything I'm afraid they'll leave.

It's all up to the government now, and let's hope they'll make the right decision !!!!

Greetz
Chris
8)

[ATC]

It's all up to the government no, and let's hope they'll make the right decision !!!!

The current flemish government will wait until the flemish elections of may 2004.
They (current government) hope that the "green" (groen!) party will fall out the coalition.
It's the "green political people" that say "njet" against any expansion of the airport...

I hope their will be a quick solution because DHL isn't going to wait forever...

The future wil bring us the answers.

greetings,
ATC

[Flying-Belgian]

Not a big surprise Bart...

All this is the result of the Belgian behaviour. It's too late to cry. I was
expecting DHL to leave BRU for quite a long time now. It was obvious that
Leipzig had the edge on BRU. DHL=Deutsche Post as well. So don't expect the
germans to make gifts.
One has done everything needed to discourage DHL. People leaving around the
airport (I'm quite pumped up against them...), the Belgian politics, the
anti-aviation lobby,...
It's amazing to notice how suprised are the unions and the politics now...
Are they so stupid ??? I believe so.


FB.

[Andries]

It's all up to the government now, and let's hope they'll make the right decision !!!!

For once ...

Greetz,

Andries

[airDD]

The writing is on the wall...

I think it is just matter of time for DHL to move out of BRU.

Many people will lose their job ... but I will be quieter around the airport.

[B737229]

Many people will lose their job ... but I will be quieter around the airport.

Sure.. a lot of people will lose their jobs, but wasn't Verhofstadt the guy (>>Guy Verhofstadt) who was going to create 100.000 jobs?

Leipzig is a logic choise for DHL, dont forget Deutsche post is a shareholder in DHL, with the joining of east countries next month to the European Community, new market is the east countries.

I flew into Leipzig once, it is in the iddle of nowhere, has an enourmous potential for building (The size of the aiport is bigger then BRU), it is connected to rail and motorway!

Leipzig Halle Airport


Sorry to say I think when can slow down their choise to leave BRU, but the decission is already made...

[pilatus]

Don take conclusions to quick. First I am not convinced we will completely move out of Bru. Leipzig ws already in the running before as new Hub. If they will get also the extra capacity the main heb will move to Leipzig but Bru will stay as sub Hub if you ask me. For the moment we have to wait but offcourse the unions must do their job at this moment and try to get some more info about the future.

Greetz,

[vliegtuigfreak]

Now i heartd on the news on StuBru that they will put 20000000€ in DHL. This money comes from a fund that was started after the bankruptcy of Sabena. I hope this money will change the thaughts of DHL!

Greetingzz
Sonny

[Avro]

As pilatus allready mentioned it wouldn't suprise me either if DHL would keep BRU and still open a base in Leipzig. Keep in mind that the EU is expanding as from MAY 1st.
I just hope that BRU will stay as big as it is now !!!

20 million € seems nice but is it enough to keep DHL @ BRU, while on the other hand they can get 71 million € subsidies I fear not, especially because Deutsche Post is behind all this

As I allready said, I heard an interview of one official at DHL this morning. There he said that the BRU base has still more advantages than Leibzig. It's is very well located but also has a very high qualified personel !!!!! and also has some expantion capabilities.

Unfortunately that won't be the guy who will have to take the final decision otherwise BRU would stay the home base of DHL.

The only thing we can do is wait and see .....

Greetings
Chris

[Flybe]

Let's just wait and see what happens here.

I doubt that BRU will be totally abandoned as a hub, if DHL decides to reduce capacity here at all. It is of course possible that they go to Leipzig, but as said before in this topic, money (the 70 million) isn't everything. But i have to agree that this government (and many people living around the airport) seem to be determined to do all the wrong things to keep DHL here.

Anyway, i'm worried about the consequence for BRU if they would leave or reduce capacity. What effect will this uncertainty have on the privatisation of BIAC? Let's just hope that there will be a (positive) certainty before the price of the shares will be determined. It makes a huge difference if you're talking about an important cargo airport or a small airport (judging by amount of passengers and cargo then), and it could well mean the difference between profit and loss for BIAC!

Let's hope for the best, and let's hope that the governement can speed things a little bit up, because having to wait that long isn't good for anybody!

Greets,

Pieter

[sn26567]

DHL said it would remain in Brussels if it gets 32,000 night flights per year instead of the current 16,000. A move is expensive, even with a grant.

However, I don't see the federal government (especially with Anciaux), or the Flemish government, or even the Brussels government agree with such an increase.

Conclusion, DHL will move.
Thanks a lot to our beloved politicians!

[Flybe]

I hope that the governments in Belgium fully realise the consequences of a potential move of DHL before it is too late... It would have enormous consequences for the airport and all jobs related to it. The shares of the airport (now for a big part in the posession of the belgian government) wouldn't bring up nearly as much money when they are sold if DHL wouldn't be here anymore.

Also this government promised to bring jobs to belgium... they can't afford to loose DHL then.

I hope that for once, just for once, the government will make the correct decision...

Anyway, let's see what DHL will do, they are in a good position to negotiate about the 32000 nightflights, but i also believe that the move would indeed costs very much and would also bring some logistical problems that DHL is fully aware of.

Greets,

Pieter

[A318]

Yep the green parties destroy everywhere huge economical important places. They also slow down Schiphol too expand, transportation companies that use boats and truck are getting higher taxes because they use diesel (petrol) and they don't care about the consequences. Here in Holland we have an idiot now that wants to raise the tax on diesel with €0,40 per liter!!!!! They really don't think, if they keep on going like this "old" europe is going down down and down while the "new" european countries will expand and expand and expand. Too bad too see almost nobody cares about it here in Europe. Germany has a left governement, Spain even worse now, socialists! Well if some political stream can kill aviation then it are the socialists, too bad aviation is dpeneding so much on political groups.

Greetz,

Erwin

[pilatus]

It really something you don't understand. If you know that there or houses still UNDER construction near the airport with banners on it showing"Stop het nachtlawaai" you are getting very angry. And then the idiot thing like spreading the flights, jezus.....you have to concentrate the flights and look for solutions for the little area that's having a problem. I hope they get smarter quickly as I love my job and don't want to loos it

[Avro]

It really something you don't understand. If you know that there or houses still UNDER construction near the airport with banners on it showing"Stop het nachtlawaai" you are getting very angry. And then the idiot thing like spreading the flights, jezus.....you have to concentrate the flights and look for solutions for the little area that's having a problem.

I totally agree with you. I hate those people who go living near the airport for cheap and then complain for the noise

Chris

[Flybe]

I have to say, i have nothing against the green party, nor socialistic parties. They need to be there, for example it is good to have a green party to push the transport sector towards a more ecological behaviour. That drive needs to be there.

At the end, i don't blame the political parties, i do blame the people that for example go and buy cheap houses close to BRU and then complain...

But in all this, i seem to recognise a vicious circle, that makes it even more or less understandable for me, to see how people react now. I mean, Belgium is a wellfare state, with some of the highest wellfare in the world (I would say the same about the Netherlands). If people have work, and enough money and so on, they start to focus on other things to make their life more agreable. Hence the introduction of the 38h (maybe soon the 36 or 34h) week. But also people then start complaining about many other things, for example the noise and other annoying things from the airport. That has indeed always been there, but now they start to focus more on it. That you can't help, it comes from our wellfare state... People become spoiled.

But by cutting in too many things to get an even higher wellfare, they overlook something important: they can loose the basics, in this case: work. But most people don't realise this. They think there will always be work. They don't realise the consequences of companies like DHL moving out. It's the natural way. And i'm afraid that people are so spoiled lately in Belgium, that the only way that they will realise the problems they crease, is when some companies effectively do move away. But then it will be too late. Especialy with competitive new entrants in the EU. (mind you: i do think that the new entrants are a good idea, they can contribute alot to the EU, and bring us back with our feet on the ground).

Anyway, this all just to say that it is easy to blame it all on politics (as i also do it sometimes, i admit ) But in my eyes, it are just the spoiled people in the wellfare states that undermine there own future...

Greets,

Pieter

[beco]

What people tend to forget is that DHL can build a completely new cutting-edge hub in Leipzig with all the latest technology. In Brussels they will still have to use the old one and if they decide to stay in Brussels, they could lose may be more time in setting up that new state of the art hub than going to Leipzig.

[terenia]

...and furthermore, Leipzig is open 24 hrs a day, without any restrictions on the number of movements!