2016 Brussels South Charleroi Airport (CRL/EBCI) latest news

[JAF737]

Some rough calculations for CRL, in ISA conditions + RWY DRY + no wind.

B787 (structural MTOW is about 227tons):
MTOW RWY25: +/- 190 tons
MTOW RWY07: +/- 213 tons

B767 (structural MTOW is about 186 tons):
MTOW RWY25: +/- 167 tons
MTOW RWY07: +/- 178 tons

Elevation (or air density to be accurate) indeed makes a difference, but CRL is not on top of the Himalaya

There is also a difference in take off run available, RWY07 is 145 meters longer than RWY25.
TATL flights would be far from optimal out of RWY25, but possible (if we forget the infrastructure of the airport, of course).

[JAF737]

Thanks for the explanation indeed, very interesting.
I heard about he chruch story in the past, but I didn't know it was that critical, planes are very high already when passing that point.
It's a big "funny" to think a plane could be so low at the end of the track.

So everybody is now thinking, let's get rid of the church ?
Yes, it has been asked, in 2014 already:
https://www.rtbf.be/info/regions/detail ... id=8557035
and other documentation
http://www.cdh-wallonie.be/notre-action ... t-par-bsca

Yes indeed, on two engines.
It wouldn't be the case on one engine... and that (of course) needs to be taken into account.

[Acid-drop]

I doubt the main idea of CRL is to accomodate heavy aircrafts

Heavy aircrafts, maybe not.
But the same ones more full, seems yes:

"Il n'est pas question de faire décoller de gros porteurs, mais pour être rentables aujourd'hui, les compagnies aériennes de transport de passagers prennent aussi du cargo pour optimaliser les vols. Les avions sont plus lourds et ont besoin d'une piste beaucoup plus longue pour décoller", confiait Jean-Jacques Cloquet, CEO de BSCA, au journal L'Echo en 2014

English translation : Some companies want to fly more cargo.

[JAF737]

I doubt the main idea of CRL is to accomodate heavy aircrafts

Heavy aircrafts, maybe not.
But the same ones more full, seems yes:

"Il n'est pas question de faire décoller de gros porteurs, mais pour être rentables aujourd'hui, les compagnies aériennes de transport de passagers prennent aussi du cargo pour optimaliser les vols. Les avions sont plus lourds et ont besoin d'une piste beaucoup plus longue pour décoller", confiait Jean-Jacques Cloquet, CEO de BSCA, au journal L'Echo en 2014

English translation : Some companies want to fly more cargo.

Obviously, yes. RWY25 is still limiting in some cases.

Example for a B738: MTOW +/- 74T on RWY25, same conditions as the calculations above, while its structural MTOW is 79T.

People who live around the airport of CRL were (as very often...) against a longer runway, because they are scared of more noise. In reality, they would have less noise than nowadays. Even if a 787 ever operates daily out of CRL (keep on dreaming)...but it's hard to believe, of course

[asianlao02]

Some rough calculations for CRL, in ISA conditions + RWY DRY + no wind.

B787 (structural MTOW is about 227tons):
MTOW RWY25: +/- 190 tons
MTOW RWY07: +/- 213 tons

B767 (structural MTOW is about 186 tons):
MTOW RWY25: +/- 167 tons
MTOW RWY07: +/- 178 tons

Elevation (or air density to be accurate) indeed makes a difference, but CRL is not on top of the Himalaya

There is also a difference in take off run available, RWY07 is 145 meters longer than RWY25.
TATL flights would be far from optimal out of RWY25, but possible (if we forget the infrastructure of the airport, of course).

wow thanks a lot.

[flymd11]

For anyone who's interested, this is the (now shelved) €80 million masterplan expansion, designed by Spanish company Aertec:



http://www.aertecsolutions.com/download ... ajeros.pdf

The "Terminal 2" that is now being built will be a bit simpler. Charleroi Airport has posted a few photos of the start of the building work:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set ... 944&type=3

[Acid-drop]

It's really not clear what is old and what is new there.
But I sure like the picture with a huge apron and no track !
Charleroi will become the european mojave desert parking, nice !

[Boavida]

For anyone who's interested, this is the (now shelved) €80 million masterplan expansion, designed by Spanish company Aertec:

"Designed"? It all looks like simple, low-roof, square boxes. I hardly call this a 'design'... Why does this kind of architecture in Belgium always look so generic, so boring, so cheap, so unappealing?

Just compare this with the modern, airy design of Eindhoven Airport...

[Acid-drop]

Why does this kind of architecture in Belgium always look so generic

Always, no Look some of the train stations in this country.

but in this very case, cheap is the answer I guess.

[Sai]

The "Terminal 2" that is now being built will be a bit simpler.

Are there any images of that design/building?
Will there be any changes to the present very overcrowded departure hall?
Because more gates is more flights I would think, but it is allready hard to move from one end of the hall to the other one now at times

[sn26567]

Ryanair launches new twice-weekly winter route from Brussels South Charleroi to Glasgow:

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/ryanair ... i-glasgow/

[sn26567]

Ryanair will cancel the route to Oslo Rygge on 1 November because of the introduction of a new 80 NOK ( 8.6 € ) passenger tax.

[Passenger]

Ryanair will cancel the route to Oslo Rygge on 1 November because of the introduction of a new 80 NOK ( 8.6 € ) passenger tax.

Ryanair will leave Oslo Rygge airport on 1 November, because of the introduction of a new 80 NOK (8.6 €) passenger tax. 31 routes cancelled, including one to CRL. 1.1 million passengers lost. And since Ryanair is the main customer of the airport, this one is set to close with the loss of 1000 jobs (direct and indirect). Terrible effects of an unwanted tax!

Let's hope that the passengers who have a confirmed booking will use Article 5 and Article 9 from the EU-Rule 261/2004 for cancelled flights = the right to assistance and the right, if necessary, for a hotel booking. Passengers now have the right indeed to demand a rerouting. And when Ryanair cannot offer a rerouting on the same day, Ryanair has to offer them hotel accommodation. Transport to/from Oslo Rygge to the new airport is on Ryanair's expenses off course.

About those "1.000 jobs": let's take an average annual salary cost of 30.000 Euro p/p. Annual salary cost for those "1.000 jobs" then is 30.000.000 Euro. With 1,1 mio passengers, that's 27 Euro salary-cost-subsidy for each passenger; a small contribition of 8,6 Euro per passenger seems quite fair, no? Looks like Oslo Rygge Airport and the Norwegian authorities took the right decision not to sponsor Ryanair's shareholders anymore.

(this route cancellation was also posted in the topic "Ryanair in 2016", hence this double post indeed)

[sean1982]

About those "1.000 jobs": let's take an average annual salary cost of 30.000 Euro p/p. Annual salary cost for those "1.000 jobs" then is 30.000.000 Euro. With 1,1 mio passengers, that's 27 Euro salary-cost-subsidy for each passenger; a small contribition of 8,6 Euro per passenger seems quite fair, no? Looks like Oslo Rygge Airport and the Norwegian authorities took the right decision not to sponsor Ryanair's shareholders anymore.

(this route cancellation was also posted in the topic "Ryanair in 2016", hence this double post indeed)

If it wouldnt be that the actual average wage in norway is about 50.000€ per annum. Wrong again panebas

This move by the government is another one in a looooong series to protect it's struggling flag carrier SAS. Not to worry, very soon Ryanair and Norwegian will start code sharing (something else you said would never happen ) and in X amount of time I see them merging

[Acid-drop]

50k euro NET ( belgium is 35k euro net). Gross can vary a lot

[Passenger]

Many airport jobs are part time. Hence I stated "average".

[Passenger]

BSCA announced a 2% increase for June 2016 versus June 2015:

La Meuse:
http://www.lameuse.be/1620188/article/2 ... -charleroi

De Standaard:
http://www.standaard.be/cnt/dmf20160711_02380090

Both newspapers refer to Belga as source. Apart from a reminder "arrive three hours before take off", De Standaard adds: "...Midden juli komt er een nieuwe veiligheidszone in de Charleroise luchthaven, waarin passagiers worden gescreend voordat ze de terminal betreden...".

Translated: Mid July, a new safety zone will open at CRL where the passengers will be screened before they enter the terminal.

I hope they are not going to install the same nonsense as the police unions demanded for Brussels Airport.

[Airbus330lover]

I'm afraid that the same non sense will be coming

[Inquirer]

Just 2% growth in June, first full month where BRU was operational again (albeit still capacity restricted)?
That sounds very low for a low cost airport: any explanation given for this stagnation?
I think Brussels will have done better (based on previous months' figures), so CRL are loosing market share in Belgium!

[Acid-drop]

They are at 100pc capacity during peak hours.
Only off peak hour can be improved, or load factor.
2pc growth is a good result it seems