Brussels Airport (BRU) infrastructure: future

[Atlantis]

Brussels Airport is going to take much faster some actions to make it The Airport of the Future.

The current Kiss and Ride zone will be completely car free. All cars will have to go via the parking towers. As mentioned some months ago, the car space will expand by extend of one the current parking towers.
At this moment it's uncertain and undecided, as there are current many plans, what to do with the Kiss and Ride zone as this is a really huge space. More will follow later.

The current arrival zone, taxi zone will disappear. Not totally disappear but the way of working will be different. All taxis will have a huge parking lot next to one of the DHL buildings and a small amount will have a place in front of the fire department at the beginning of the airport. A steward will call the taxi for the pax.

[Freken]

Not too sure if I really like this airport of the future..

At this moment it's uncertain and undecided, as there are current many plans, what to do with the Kiss and Ride zone as this is a really huge space. More will follow later.

As long as those tents will be gone, I will be more than happy.

[lumumba]

Brussels Airport is going to take much faster some actions to make it The Airport of the Future.

The current Kiss and Ride zone will be completely car free. All cars will have to go via the parking towers. As mentioned some months ago, the car space will expand by extend of one the current parking towers.
At this moment it's uncertain and undecided, as there are current many plans, what to do with the Kiss and Ride zone as this is a really huge space. More will follow later.

The current arrival zone, taxi zone will disappear. Not totally disappear but the way of working will be different. All taxis will have a huge parking lot next to one of the DHL buildings and a small amount will have a place in front of the fire department at the beginning of the airport. A steward will call the taxi for the pax.

Thanks again Atlantis this is good news .

[Atlantis]

Not too sure if I really like this airport of the future..

At this moment it's uncertain and undecided, as there are current many plans, what to do with the Kiss and Ride zone as this is a really huge space. More will follow later.

As long as those tents will be gone, I will be more than happy.

Dear Freken,

I respect your opinion of course, but let me be frank also, you even didn't saw the Airport of the Future as it will be a totally new one.
The tents are temporary as you know. People can be negative all the time but it will not bring you further.

[Atlantis]

Brussels Airport is going to take much faster some actions to make it The Airport of the Future.

The current Kiss and Ride zone will be completely car free. All cars will have to go via the parking towers. As mentioned some months ago, the car space will expand by extend of one the current parking towers.
At this moment it's uncertain and undecided, as there are current many plans, what to do with the Kiss and Ride zone as this is a really huge space. More will follow later.

The current arrival zone, taxi zone will disappear. Not totally disappear but the way of working will be different. All taxis will have a huge parking lot next to one of the DHL buildings and a small amount will have a place in front of the fire department at the beginning of the airport. A steward will call the taxi for the pax.

Thanks again Atlantis this is good news .

You are very welcome Lumumba. Sorry of being not available lately on the forum but you can imagine that it is crazy busy

[lumumba]

Brussels Airport is going to take much faster some actions to make it The Airport of the Future.

The current Kiss and Ride zone will be completely car free. All cars will have to go via the parking towers. As mentioned some months ago, the car space will expand by extend of one the current parking towers.
At this moment it's uncertain and undecided, as there are current many plans, what to do with the Kiss and Ride zone as this is a really huge space. More will follow later.

The current arrival zone, taxi zone will disappear. Not totally disappear but the way of working will be different. All taxis will have a huge parking lot next to one of the DHL buildings and a small amount will have a place in front of the fire department at the beginning of the airport. A steward will call the taxi for the pax.

Thanks again Atlantis this is good news .

You are very welcome Lumumba. Sorry of being not available lately on the forum but you can imagine that it is crazy busy

Yes we all can imagine, but I'm very happy to have you back.
Let's put this dark times in our back.

Brussels has to do everything to get his seconde New York flight of UNITED.
Also or Atlanta flight has to come back.
And if possible the Philadelphia .

The market is there if they don't fly from Brussels they will do it from another airport around.

[Freken]

I respect your opinion of course, but let me be frank also, you even didn't saw the Airport of the Future as it will be a totally new one.
The tents are temporary as you know. People can be negative all the time but it will not bring you further.

I perfectly agree that the tents on the departures curb are not there because BRU wanted them. However, the system of a steward calling taxi's doesn't seem like a great idea capacity wise, given that there are already long queues in the morning. More parking for them is a positive thing to see.

In your post you also said that the arrival zone would dissappear, could you perhaps elaborate a bit in which way it would be adapted except for the new procedures?

[sn26567]

The current Kiss and Ride zone will be completely car free. All cars will have to go via the parking towers.

If so, the 10 minutes free park is often insufficient, especially when you have to fetch an arriving passenger. The time to find a parking spot, to call your guest traveller by phone, etc. will often exceed 10 minutes. Methinks that 20 minutes or half an hour should be free.

[Atlantis]

Thanks again Atlantis this is good news .

You are very welcome Lumumba. Sorry of being not available lately on the forum but you can imagine that it is crazy busy

Yes we all can imagine, but I'm very happy to have you back.
Let's put this dark times in our back.

Brussels has to do everything to get his seconde New York flight of UNITED.
Also or Atlanta flight has to come back.
And if possible the Philadelphia .

The market is there if they don't fly from Brussels they will do it from another airport around.

Some airlines took advantage of the situation to withdraw from the BRU market. Delta is an example as they want to focus more on AMS. That's why very quickly they decided to cancel the Atlanta route while the route was doing quite well.

But you can see a pattern in this. It are almost only American carriers and one Canadian who decided to fly less, to stop or to use smaller equipment to BRU. Let us wait till July to see what they will decide about the upgrade again. The decicion of United to not start the second NY flight is really with mixed feelings.

It will take a while to recover from this.

[Atlantis]

The current Kiss and Ride zone will be completely car free. All cars will have to go via the parking towers.

If so, the 10 minutes free park is often insufficient, especially when you have to fetch an arriving passenger. The time to find a parking spot, to call your guest traveller by phone, etc. will often exceed 10 minutes. Methinks that 20 minutes or half an hour should be free.

It will all change André, we don't speak anymore of BRU before 22/03. We speak now about a complete different airport.
The measures taken at the beginning was to let work the airport again and to give a little service. Everything is under permanent evaluation and in some time there will be fixed measures.

[Atlantis]

I respect your opinion of course, but let me be frank also, you even didn't saw the Airport of the Future as it will be a totally new one.
The tents are temporary as you know. People can be negative all the time but it will not bring you further.

I perfectly agree that the tents on the departures curb are not there because BRU wanted them. However, the system of a steward calling taxi's doesn't seem like a great idea capacity wise, given that there are already long queues in the morning. More parking for them is a positive thing to see.

In your post you also said that the arrival zone would dissappear, could you perhaps elaborate a bit in which way it would be adapted except for the new procedures?

Before 22/03 there was already a plan to change the taxi zone drastically. Even with all taxi's there at the same moment there was a long queue of people who wanted to take a taxi. I know this out of experience.
Two weeks ago I arrived at the airport and took a taxi again with the new system they handle. It was quite fast I have to say. Per pax that want to take a taxi, a taxi is arriving instead of they were blocked from time to time in the past. Also this is in permanent evaluation

[RoMax]

The current taxi dispatching is indeed a 'light version' of what was being planned anyway. However 'a steward dispatching' should be replaced by an automatic dispatching system eventually. There are several reasons for doing this: to avoid a huge amount of (unorderly) queueing taxis on the arrivals curb and the additional buffer next to P27, to provide additional capacity (the current amount of taxis hardly fit that space and they should accomodate for expansion), to eventually work with a dispatching system that is more beneficial for environmental friendly taxis, etc. This is not a unique thing, ARN for example is a very good example of this. As long as cars are dispatched in a good way (and that's why an automatic system would be even better...), there shouldn't be more passengers waiting as was the case before 22/03 in the peaks, quite the contrary. A (much) longer term addition could be to for example order a taxi via the BRU app and have it basically ready for you by the time you leave the terminal.

[convair]

Brussels Airport is going to take much faster some actions to make it The Airport of the Future.

The current Kiss and Ride zone will be completely car free. All cars will have to go via the parking towers. As mentioned some months ago, the car space will expand by extend of one the current parking towers.
At this moment it's uncertain and undecided, as there are current many plans, what to do with the Kiss and Ride zone as this is a really huge space. More will follow later.

Hello Atlantis,

This "Airport of the Future" you're heralding makes me a bit sceptical, I'm sorry to say.

In the recent past, BRU has been mostly (shareholders') profit-friendly with the connector in which pax are obliged to go through the shops and, in the last month, police union-friendly with that stupid, useless and even dangerous pre-screenings (which might not have been wished by BRU management but still made its use very uncomfortable for pax).

I wish BRU would, just a little bit, also care for the comfort of its pax: the business traveler wants to go as quickly as possible from his/her car/train/bus/taxi to the gate, i.e. to have the possibility to by-pass the shops and their crowd; and the possibility to use a Kiss and Drive zone (which is a standard feature at all airports I've been to) as close a possible to the terminal entrance is also a must, unless BRU wants to become an airport labeled "For Young Athletes Only".

Other important improvements would consist of making sure the sub-contractors do their jobs correctly, e.g. in the parkings: availability and cleanliness of toilets, working lifts etc...

[Atlantis]

Brussels Airport is going to take much faster some actions to make it The Airport of the Future.

The current Kiss and Ride zone will be completely car free. All cars will have to go via the parking towers. As mentioned some months ago, the car space will expand by extend of one the current parking towers.
At this moment it's uncertain and undecided, as there are current many plans, what to do with the Kiss and Ride zone as this is a really huge space. More will follow later.

Hello Atlantis,

This "Airport of the Future" you're heralding makes me a bit sceptical, I'm sorry to say.

In the recent past, BRU has been mostly (shareholders') profit-friendly with the connector in which pax are obliged to go through the shops and, in the last month, police union-friendly with that stupid, useless and even dangerous pre-screenings (which might not have been wished by BRU management but still made its use very uncomfortable for pax).

I wish BRU would, just a little bit, also care for the comfort of its pax: the business traveler wants to go as quickly as possible from his/her car/train/bus/taxi to the gate, i.e. to have the possibility to by-pass the shops and their crowd; and the possibility to use a Kiss and Drive zone (which is a standard feature at all airports I've been to) as close a possible to the terminal entrance is also a must, unless BRU wants to become an airport labeled "For Young Athletes Only".

Other important improvements would consist of making sure the sub-contractors do their jobs correctly, e.g. in the parkings: availability and cleanliness of toilets, working lifts etc...

Dear Convair,

BRU is doing everything, but really everything for the comfort of it's pax. It is really unbelievable that the terminal could be open already after 40 days. Hundreds of people were working day and night to do this FOR THE PAX. Still hundreds of people are working day and night to get open asap the last part of the terminal but this will take more time as huge damaged even as the leisure terminal.

The Airport of the Future will be a totally other concept. Don't be sceptical or negative as from the beginning as you even don't know how it will be. We even don't know the final result of it.

But the pax are always on the same place

[lumumba]

Brussels Airport is going to take much faster some actions to make it The Airport of the Future.

The current Kiss and Ride zone will be completely car free. All cars will have to go via the parking towers. As mentioned some months ago, the car space will expand by extend of one the current parking towers.
At this moment it's uncertain and undecided, as there are current many plans, what to do with the Kiss and Ride zone as this is a really huge space. More will follow later.

Hello Atlantis,

This "Airport of the Future" you're heralding makes me a bit sceptical, I'm sorry to
In the recent past, BRU has been mostly (shareholders') profit-friendly with the connector in which pax are obliged to go through the shops and, in the last month, police union-friendly with that stupid, useless and even dangerous pre-screenings (which might not have been wished by BRU management but still made its use very uncomfortable for pax).

I wish BRU would, just a little bit, also care for the comfort of its pax: the business traveler wants to go as quickly as possible from his/her car/train/bus/taxi to the gate, i.e. to have the possibility to by-pass the shops and their crowd; and the possibility to use a Kiss and Drive zone (which is a standard feature at all airports I've been to) as close a possible to the terminal entrance is also a must, unless BRU wants to become an airport labeled "For Young Athletes Only".

Other important improvements would consist of making sure the sub-contractors do their jobs correctly, e.g. in the parkings: availability and cleanliness of toilets, working lifts etc...

Dear Convair,

BRU is doing everything, but really everything for the comfort of it's pax. It is really unbelievable that the terminal could be open already after 40 days. Hundreds of people were working day and night to do this FOR THE PAX. Still hundreds of people are working day and night to get open asap the last part of the terminal but this will take more time as huge damaged even as the leisure terminal.

The Airport of the Future will be a totally other concept. Don't be sceptical or negative as from the beginning as you even don't know how it will be. We even don't know the final result of it.

But the pax are always on the same place

Hi Atlantis

What Convair means is for example the zigzag you have to make true the shops in the B concours it makes it longer and it's very cheap etc....

[barnabelg]

I am with Convair on this. I personally don't think that the connector was an improvement (because it's slower and a longer walk than the elevator down > tunnel / moving walkway > elevator up that we were used to) and especially on arrival I'm irritated by the distance I have to walk. So if that "improvement" is anything to go by, I'm vey skeptical about the plans for this "Airport of the Future".

[convair]

Dear Convair,

BRU is doing everything, but really everything for the comfort of it's pax. It is really unbelievable that the terminal could be open already after 40 days. Hundreds of people were working day and night to do this FOR THE PAX. Still hundreds of people are working day and night to get open asap the last part of the terminal but this will take more time as huge damaged even as the leisure terminal.

The Airport of the Future will be a totally other concept. Don't be sceptical or negative as from the beginning as you even don't know how it will be. We even don't know the final result of it.

But the pax are always on the same place

Thank you for your answer Atlantis.

As I said in another post, the people at BRU have done and will undoubtedly continue to do a fantastic job of re-opening the airport so soon after the tragic events of March 22. They deserve our respect and our thanks.

I only wanted to remind that the comfort of the pax must be BRU's absolute priority! This is the criteria that will make the "Airport of the Future" a success or a failure. Everybody will take note of your positive statement in that respect and will be expecting to see it translated in the facts. And BRU will have to sustain the comparison with other airports and the facilities they offer.

[nordikcam]

You have to walk in MAD, you have to walk in AMS, you have to walk in LAX, you have to walk in ZRH, you have to walk in YUL, you have to walk in FRA, you have to walk in CDG..

[Poiu]

Most of the airports you mention have different security points, frequent travellers can easily avoid most of the walking.
The connector is no improvement at all, it is a shopping mall, which before 22/03 was doomed to fail, the shops were always empty. Now that passengers arrive early you see some customers in the shops.
The biggest joke is when you are bussed from the B-pier you drive past the connector and have to walk all the way back through the connector to baggage claim!
During peak times the connector gets saturated and people are running in all directions. If one day a fire breaks out, a terrorist attack takes place or simply a case of mass panic happens it will have huge consequences!
Commercial interest is being put before safety here, this should NEVER happen at an airport nor any other public place.

[BRU]

Connector is a huge improvement, making travel a lot easier and faster and nicer than the tunnel we had in the past. The fact you have to walk true a shop is no exception in BRU only and not adding anyrhing to the travel time. For a lot of passeners these shops make travel more pleasent. Also, biggest spenders are often businness travellers going home or buying gifts to take with them.

You can not make an airport that suits everybody, but complaining about connector compared to previous situation ? Can not understand that based on facts or rationality...