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[Acid-drop]

If i'm not mistaken you can stay home 1 day without any doctor notice. So you in theory do that every 2 days. Without seeing a doc ever.

[Nevihta]

What happens now was bound to happen...
It's just how things are now in Belgium, collapsing because of the lack of investments.
As wrote earlier, and in other topics, it is PROVEN that there is not enough staff to ensure traffic levels.
There have been several "soft" warnings regarding this lack of manpower (flow measures etc..), but now things are getting more and more critical, and airports have to close because there is not even someone available to fill in the gaps.
I think none of the absent is "unfit to work"...
You can hide behind what you call a strike, or egoism, or whatever, it's just going to delay again the urge to find a solution...
And I'm not even talking about technical problems, that are going to happen again...

[Acid-drop]

And so you say that hurting our ill economy is the only and best way ? Say it.

[Ozzie1969]

Is there a limit to the number of consecutive days that an ATC is allowed to work?

[ostair]

If i'm not mistaken you can stay home 1 day without any doctor notice. So you in theory do that every 2 days. Without seeing a doc ever.

Some civil servants have almost the same agreement.
But this is only 10 days a year.

[sean1982]

Just open another topic.

Feel free to do so. But I want to post in this topic what I think is the reason for this topic.

Problem is that what you think is mostly a conjured up story from a few Google searches thrown together and therefore factually untrue

[Nevihta]

And so you say that hurting our ill economy is the only and best way ? Say it.

What don't you understand in this simple sentence :
"There is not enough staff"

[Acid-drop]

And it was working before the strike and now suddenly not anymore. Right...
In fact we dont care abour your internal mess, just fix it.
Without hurting your image too much.
Without hurting belgium image too much.

[Passenger]

Just open another topic.

Feel free to do so. But I want to post in this topic what I think is the reason for this topic.

Problem is that what you think is mostly a conjured up story from a few Google searches thrown together and therefore factually untrue

Actually, with a few decades of experience in the business, I don't need Google that much. I only use Google when people with a personal interest in the matter (like some die hard airline employees) disagree about an obvious statement.

[Nevihta]

Say it.

just fix it

Aviation is not as simple as you may think... and ordering people to do something usually gets the opposite result (but not only in aviation...)

[Acid-drop]

right
If I'm dealing with 8 year old girls i'll need to manipulate emotions.
For adults, I have only one religion : german discipline.
Let's see which option your boss chooses.

[Jetter]

What don't you understand in this simple sentence : "There is not enough staff"

No it's not that simple. What's going on here is very simple but something different. It was incited by Maryse Meulemans who wrote to the ATCO's:

"It cannot be stressed enough that your flexibility (call ups, filling in missing shifts,...) is helping out management. It is NOT helping your case! For the atcos on duty in a reduced team: * SVR & TM will do their utmost best to protect the team from too heavy workload; * a couple of days of work with less break is only a small sacrifice for the rest of your career."

With 0 flexibility from staff almost all companies would have a staffing shortage at times, so to say a lack of staff is the problem is not a fair analysis.

[Nevihta]

Ah, by the way, about 80% of ATCOs are in the Guild.
As you mentioned somewhere else, 60% of them were part of the "unfit to work" , so that makes them less represented..

[Nevihta]

For adults, I have only one religion : german discipline.

You know, Germany has changed since 1945... and their way of negotiations could be an inspiration for us, and has nothing to see with "german discipline".
It shows again how you poorly know the subjects you're try to deal with...

[Acid-drop]

when you see soldiers in the street, I see the most efficient european economy, in 2016.
They make the best machinery of any type you can imagine. What car do you drive ?
Discipline is a good thing in many case. Is it not for ATC ?
But again, my view isn't that important. Yours isn't either. We'll see what your boss will decide.

[Homo Aeroportus]

Trying to understand what happened, or not.

I heard that as from 0715 there was only one (1) ATCO on duty so the service needed to be interrupted until more came in for the next shift.
So the planning had been correctly set up to staff properly and guarantee that all flights could be operated during the night at EBCI , right ?

Basic HR fact....
... It's just a case of poor manpower planning.

Well, it does look like indeed.

H.A.

[Passenger]

Trying to understand what happened, or not. I heard that as from 0715 there was only one (1) ATCO on duty so the service needed to be interrupted until more came in for the next shift. So the planning had been correctly set up to staff properly and guarantee that all flights could be operated during the night at EBCI , right ?

Basic HR fact....
... It's just a case of poor manpower planning.

Well, it does look like indeed.

Only one (1) ATCO on duty indeed. But only two (2) were needed this morning.

One could call that "bad manpower planning by management". I would rather call it "unwillingness from the others to step in, combined with a very strange but massive sickness outbreak, luckily for the world limited to the surroundings of Charleroi Control Tower".

[sn26567]

And the CEO of BSCA is furious at Belgocontrol. He says Belgocontrol is a "foutoir". And he thinks seriously to ask them a compensation for lost business.

[Jetter]

The CEO is right. Belgacontrol staff are out of their mind, and they don't even seem to care about the hate they bring on to themselves. I hope they'll get 'conge' instead of the demanded 'congedagen'.

[Acid-drop]

With their level of traning its hard to replace some and that must be part of the problem.
No wonder why they get the chance to ack like a spoiled rock star.