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Re: Repositioning of BRU operations to other airports after attacks

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Alitalia’s services which were originally scheduled between Rome and the Belgian capital, will operate to and from Liege (a Belgian town south-east of Brussels) up to 5 April included.

The Liege airport represents the best temporary solution possible. However, the airport has a limited capacity and it proved to be congested due to the extraordinary flight operations set up by airlines that, like Alitalia, usually don’t fly to and from Liege. As a consequence of this, Alitalia cannot ensure the same ground service offered at Zaventem airport. Furthermore, direct services between Milan and Belgium remain canceled and Alitalia has immediately set up re-routing procedures for its passengers booked on flights to/from Milan which have been rebooked on services to/from Rome. This plan remains effective until further update.
Source : https://www.alitalia.com/en_it/fly-alit ... elles.html
Using now A321

I wonder now if LGG could welcome more pax if using bigger planes and less flights. Seems to be the trend.
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Re: Repositioning of BRU operations to other airports after attacks

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b-west wrote:
Sonho1985 wrote:Went to the TAP-desk here at Pinto Martins airport in Fortaleza, as the information on their site is rather unexisting about the BRU-situation. Their Brazil-callcenter is very busy and the terminal is only 10 minutes away so...

The lady was't really helpful. "In the system the flight LIS-BRU for Sunday april 2 still exists and is even for sale so you will find out on the day of your journey." :roll:

Now let us be realistic. The chance that TP will operate at BRU this weekend is about what... 5 to 10%?
If I would end up in OST or maybe LGG, okay. But if I will be put on a plane to ORY or AMS I need to know it in advance (arrange someone for pick-up or maybe book a Thalys ticket).

Is dencend communication that hard?

Tomorrow morning I am gonna try the Brussels call center. It will cost me, but need to know...
I think the chances are very big you'll end up in OST. Not too sure about transportation from the airport, there are a lot of busses coming and going, but I think most if not all are from JAF. If there's no transportation provided by the airline, there's still a public transport bus to the Ostend train station or you can take a cab. Apparently the airline should compensate 'reasonable' travel expenses.
Tried the Belgian call center today.

Flights between LIS and BRU are still on schedule for this Sunday, the operator said.
The alternative (which is likely going to happen IMO) is OST. I have to call back on Friday for updated information.
They operate just 1 flight a day to/from OST, however I can't track any on FR24. It leaves around 1:15PM in LIS (so 7 hours of transit time instead of 3... yihaa) and arrives around 5PM.
I am curious about what aircraft, because load factors on the flights between BRU and LIS I take are always minimum 90%. This is a very busy route, and also SN is not flying it as far as I know at the moment.

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Re: Repositioning of BRU operations to other airports after attacks

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Acid-drop wrote:
Alitalia’s services which were originally scheduled between Rome and the Belgian capital, will operate to and from Liege (a Belgian town south-east of Brussels) up to 5 April included.

The Liege airport represents the best temporary solution possible. However, the airport has a limited capacity and it proved to be congested due to the extraordinary flight operations set up by airlines that, like Alitalia, usually don’t fly to and from Liege. As a consequence of this, Alitalia cannot ensure the same ground service offered at Zaventem airport. Furthermore, direct services between Milan and Belgium remain canceled and Alitalia has immediately set up re-routing procedures for its passengers booked on flights to/from Milan which have been rebooked on services to/from Rome. This plan remains effective until further update.
Source : https://www.alitalia.com/en_it/fly-alit ... elles.html
Using now A321

I wonder now if LGG could welcome more pax if using bigger planes and less flights. Seems to be the trend.
IMO AZ can remain operating maybe 1 daily flight between LGG and Italy in the future, even after reopening BRU. I don't understand why that never happened before. The region (Liege and nearby Limburg) has a huge population of people from Italian origine.
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Re: Repositioning of BRU operations to other airports after attacks

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The regional airports want to know where they stand, words of CEO of Antwerp/Ostend Brughes airports.
Its difficult but its somewhat logical.
He asks for a meeting with all the airports so things can be planned ahead.

http://deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws/video ... =1.2615448

Airlines can't keep on cancelling their flights.
If you need to be somewhere you are nothing with a refund.
Look at Air Arabia and Royal Air Maroc. The first is probably glad to take on RAM customers...

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Re: Repositioning of BRU operations to other airports after attacks

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Sonho1985 wrote:
Tried the Belgian call center today.

Flights between LIS and BRU are still on schedule for this Sunday, the operator said.
The alternative (which is likely going to happen IMO) is OST. I have to call back on Friday for updated information.
They operate just 1 flight a day to/from OST, however I can't track any on FR24. It leaves around 1:15PM in LIS (so 7 hours of transit time instead of 3... yihaa) and arrives around 5PM.
I am curious about what aircraft, because load factors on the flights between BRU and LIS I take are always minimum 90%. This is a very busy route, and also SN is not flying it as far as I know at the moment.
My post got lost somewhere...

Highly likely you will arrive at OST.
TAP operates a A320.
Loadfactor from 50 to 95% depending day to day.

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Aegean still diverting flights to/from Lille until 7th of April 2016 as Brussels Airport remains closed until further notice.
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Re: Repositioning of BRU operations to other airports after attacks

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tolipanebas wrote:A small Easter gift for spotters in LGG:
Since YYZ is currently not operating, as from tomorrow an A330 will be deployed on our key medium haul routes to cope with very high volume and the lower than normal frequencies on those routes: tomorrow an A330 will be used on MAD.
;)
Nice, but was it really worth the trouble? It did 1 return flight; only 4 hours in the air. I hope the l/f was good.

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Re: Repositioning of BRU operations to other airports after attacks

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The regional airports want to know where they stand, words of CEO of Antwerp/Ostend Brughes airports.
Its difficult but its somewhat logical.
He asks for a meeting with all the airports so things can be planned ahead.

http://deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws/video ... =1.2615448

Airlines can't keep on cancelling their flights.
If you need to be somewhere you are nothing with a refund.
Look at Air Arabia and Royal Air Maroc. The first is probably glad to take on RAM customers...
Also newsreel from local television on current situation at Ostend airport.(30/3)
Basically the same info as on VRT.

http://www.focus-wtv.be/nieuws/luchthav ... e-toeren-0

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Re: Repositioning of BRU operations to other airports after attacks

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OO-SFM (Brussels Airlines A330-300) now on approach to BRU, coming from Zürich.

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Re: Repositioning of BRU operations to other airports after attacks

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Passenger wrote:OO-SFM (Brussels Airlines A330-300) now on approach to BRU, coming from Zürich.
Also https://www.flightradar24.com/BEL9906/942feb6 OO-SSG A321 is approaching BRU...from FRA with the speed/altitude of a final approach...

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Re: Repositioning of BRU operations to other airports after attacks

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evyncke wrote:OO-SSG A321
A319* ;)

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Re: Repositioning of BRU operations to other airports after attacks

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OO-SFM and OO-SSG flew into BRU with SN9* callsigns, so those are just positioning flights, we had quite a lot of them since the 22, so nothing out of the ordinary.. yet!

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Ryanair will continue operating BRU flights from CRL until 7 April. Not in a hurry, thus, to come back to BRU, leaving the slots to SN.
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sn26567 wrote:Ryanair will continue operating BRU flights from CRL until 7 April. Not in a hurry, thus, to come back to BRU, leaving the slots to SN.
Its not about not being in a hurry. Its about an unfair treatment towards anyone who is not SN. Even though we all pay the same airport taxes :roll:

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sean1982 wrote:
sn26567 wrote:Ryanair will continue operating BRU flights from CRL until 7 April. Not in a hurry, thus, to come back to BRU, leaving the slots to SN.
Its not about not being in a hurry. Its about an unfair treatment towards anyone who is not SN. Even though we all pay the same airport taxes
An unfair treatment that, so far, didn't happen.

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Re: Repositioning of BRU operations to other airports after attacks

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Its not about not being in a hurry. Its about an unfair treatment towards anyone who is not SN. Even though we all pay the same airport taxes :roll:
So what is the BRU slot coordinator doing?

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Re: Repositioning of BRU operations to other airports after attacks

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Just a quick recap on what's on ground @ EBBR right now (according to FR24):

Only PAX, no cargo/GA.

SN:
RJ100 3 (on ground in bru)/12 (total)
Dash8 2/2
A33x 2/9
A319 9/17
A320 3/8
G-ECOK Bombardier Dash 8 Q400 Brussels Airlines
G-ECOI Bombardier Dash 8 Q400 Brussels Airlines

OO-DWA Avro RJ100 Brussels Airlines
OO-DWK Avro RJ100 Brussels Airlines
OO-DWL Avro RJ100 Brussels Airlines

OO-SSB Airbus A319-111 Brussels Airlines
OO-SSC Airbus A319-112 Brussels Airlines
OO-SSF Airbus A319-111 Brussels Airlines
OO-SSG Airbus A319-112 Brussels Airlines
OO-SSN Airbus A319-112 Brussels Airlines
OO-SSQ Airbus A319-112 Brussels Airlines
OO-SSR Airbus A319-112 Brussels Airlines
OO-SSU Airbus A319-111 Brussels Airlines
OO-SSV Airbus A319-111 Brussels Airlines

OO-SND Airbus A320-214 Brussels Airlines
OO-SNG Airbus A320-214 Brussels Airlines
OO-SFU Airbus A330-223 Brussels Airlines

OO-SFM Airbus A330-301 Brussels Airlines
OO-SFW Airbus A330-322 Brussels Airlines

CS-TQZ Airbus A340-313 Hi Fly
JAF
OO-JDL Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner Jetairfly
TCB
OO-TCT Airbus A320-212 Thomas Cook Airlines Belgium

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It is surprising that Flybe did not repatriate their Q400s, like bmi has done with its E145s.
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Re: Repositioning of BRU operations to other airports after attacks

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Yep, they've been sitting there since the attacks.

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Brussels Airlines schedules for 1-2 April
(Courtesy Airline Route)

brussels airlines 01/02APR16 Long-Haul Operations

brussels airlines’ latest schedule revision for long-haul service has extended to 02APR16, where Africa operation continues to be served from Frankfurt, New York served from Zurich. Planned schedule as follow.

Frankfurt – Accra – Lome – Frankfurt 02APR16
SN1279 FRA1200 – 1655ACC1825 – 1910LFW2040 – 0510+1FRA 332

Frankfurt – Banjul – Dakar – Frankfurt 01APR16
SN1203 FRA1435 – 1905BJL2025 – 2105DKR2235 – 0620+1FRA 333

Frankfurt – Cotonou – Abidjan – Frankfurt 01APR16
SN1369 FRA1320 – 1930COO2100 – 2115ABJ2225 – 0705+1FRA 332

Frankfurt – Douala – Kinshasa – Frankfurt 02APR16
SN1351 FRA1130 – 1725DLA1845 – 2040FIH2210 – 0710+1FRA 333

Frankfurt – Entebbe – Kigali – Frankfurt 02ARP16
SN1469 FRA1025 – 1935EBB2040 – 2035KGL2155 – 0645+1FRA 332

Frankfurt – Freetown – Monrovia – Frankfurt 01APR16
SN1241 FRA1430 – 1910FNA2035 – 2130ROB2255 – 0735+1FRA 333

Frankfurt – Kinshasa 01APR16
SN1357 FRA1400 – 2040FIH 332
SN1358 FIH2200 – 0705+1FRA 332

Frankfurt – Ouagadougou – Abidjan – Frankfurt 02APR16
SN1255 FRA1200 – 1605OUA1725 – 1850ABJ2020 – 0510+1FRA 333

Zurich – New York JFK 01APR16/02APR16
SN1401 ZRH1100 – 1420JFK 333
SN1402 JFK1715 – 0755+1ZRH 333

brussels airlines 01/02APR16 European Operations

brussels airlines in the last 24 hours has revised its operational schedule for Europe and North Africa operations for 01APR16 and 02APR16, which includes the following.

Antwerp – Belfast City SN1551/1552 (AR1; 01APR16)
Antwerp – Bilbao SN1613/1614 (AR1; 01/02APR16)
Antwerp – Bologna SN1725/1726 (AR1; 01APR16)
Antwerp – Budapest SN1823/1824 (AR1; 01/02APR16)
Antwerp – Copenhagen SN1757/1758 (AR1; 01/02APR16)
Antwerp – Edinburgh SN1663/1664 (AR1; 01/02APR16)
Antwerp – Florence SN1539/1540 (AR1; 01/02APR16)
Antwerp – Geneva SN1519/1520 (AR1; 02APR16)
Antwerp – Gothenburg SN1717/1718 (AR1; 01/02APR16)
Antwerp – Krakow SN1647/1648 (AR1; 01APR16)
Antwerp – Lyon SN1591/1592 (AR1; 01APR16), SN1789/1790 (AR1; 02APR16)
Antwerp – Manchester SN1573/1574 (AR1; 01APR16)
Antwerp – Milan Linate SN1649/1650 (AR1; 01/02APR16)
Antwerp – Milan Malpensa SN1653/1654 (AR1; 01APR16)
Antwerp – Nice SN1609/1610 (AR1; 02APR16), SN1615/1616 (02APR16), SN1617/1618 (02APR16)
Antwerp – Prague SN1611/1612 (AR1; 01/02APR16)
Antwerp – Stockholm Bromma SN1607/1608 (AR1; 01APR16)
Antwerp – Toulouse SN1867/1868 (AR1; 01/02APR16)
Antwerp – Vienna SN1699/1700 (AR1; 02APR16)
Antwerp – Zagreb SN1755/1756 (AR1; 01APR16)
Antwerp – Zurich SN1555/1556 (AR1; 01/02APR16), SN1557/1558 (AR1; 01/02APR16)
Liege – Alicante SN1871/1872 (319; 02APR16)
Liege – Athens SN1545/1546 (319; 01/02APR16)
Liege – Barcelona SN1803/1804 (319; 01/02APR16), SN1805/1806 (319; 01APR16), SN1705/1706 (319; 01/02APR16), SN1695/1696 (320; 02APR16)
Liege – Berlin Tegel SN1589/1590 (320; 01APR16)
Liege – Bordeaux SN1655/1656 (319; 01APR16)
Liege – Catania SN1531/1532 (319; 02APR16)
Liege – Faro SN1901/1902 (319; 01/02APR16), SN1903/1904 (319; 02APR16)
Liege – Geneva SN1513/1514 (319; 01APR16), SN1723/1724 (320; 01APR16)
Liege – Irakleion SN1543/1544 (32S; 02APR16)
Liege – Las Palmas/Gran Canaria SN1779/1780 (02APR16)
Liege – Lisbon SN1619/1620 (320; 01APR16), SN1815/1816 (319; 02APR16)
Liege – Madrid SN1829/1830 (320; 01APR16 / 319; 02APR16), SN1831/1832 (320; 01APR16)
Liege – Malaga SN1737/1738 (320; 01/02APR16), SN1739/1740 (319; 01APR16), SN1733/1734 (319; 02APR16), SN1735/1736 (320; 02APR16)
Liege – Marrakech SN1841/1842 (319; 02APR16), SN1839/1840 (319; 02APR16)
Liege – Naples SN1569/1570 (319; 01/02APR16)
Liege – Nice SN1621/1622 (320; 01APR16), SN1623/1624 (320; 01APR16)
Liege – Porto SN1511/1512 (320; 01APR16 / 319; 02APR16)
Liege – Rome SN1677/1678 (320; 01APR16 / 319; 02APR16), SN1681/1682 (320; 01APR16 / 320; 02APR16)
Liege – St. Petersburg SN1637/1638 (319; 01APR16)
Liege – Seville SN1747/1748 (320; 02APR16)
Liege – Tel Aviv SN1593/1594 (320; 01/02APR16)
Liege – Tenerife South SN1781/1782 (320; 01APR16)
Liege – Venice SN1503/1504 (320; 01APR16 / 319; 02APR16), SN1605/1606 (319; 01/02APR16)
Liege – Vienna SN1701/1702 (319; 01APR16)
Liege – Vilnius SN1771/1772 (319; 01APR16)
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