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Charlie Roy
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Brussels Airport Police threaten to strike. They want all passengers to amass in a tent first and have their luggage screened there. Seems to me that this plan would just move a bomber's target from the hall to the tent. Looks like they want a few more days off :-(

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The police wants entry checks before people go into the tent. And I wouldn't worry about them sitting at home. The have been busy non stop, securing the airport and being redeployed to the other airports to help out there.

I don't understand why people think they're out to ruin the reopening of the airport. Everybody wants a speedy reopening of Brussels Airport. But that doesn't mean we should make the same mistakes as before. And letting everybody walk in and out of the building unchecked is exactly what caused this tragedy. People might say that the problem is being moved to another location, but to put it bluntly: an explosion on the curb in front of the airport will probably make fewer victims and won't take out the airport for a whole week or more.

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All those people asking for more security inside buildings, do they think straight?

If one thing should be learned by all the bombings happening around the globe, it is that when someone really wants to harm others by means of a bomb they will fined a way too do so. In the end, all security agents, -gates and other measures are just window dressing to give the impression something is 'secure'. I'm not saying they are useless, but to me entering a 'fort knoxed' public area does not give me the impression we are living in a pleasant environment.

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Yeah, let's continue like before. And then change our Facebook picture again in some time, while the dead are being counted and the airport is closed again for a week.

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b-west wrote:The police wants entry checks before people go into the tent. And I wouldn't worry about them sitting at home. The have been busy non stop, securing the airport and being redeployed to the other airports to help out there. I don't understand why people think they're out to ruin the reopening of the airport.
I think we have to make a difference between the policemen (m/f) and the unions. You are talking about the policemen, and I agree with you: they don't want to ruin the reopening. The problem is the unions. They had already a few direct conflicts with the minister of Interior about the attacks (i.e. about the Belgian police officer in Turkey), so this re-opening development was another opportunity for them to hurt the minister. Stranded passengers is no worry for the unions: they call it "collateral damage".
b-west wrote:And letting everybody walk in and out of the building unchecked is exactly what caused this tragedy. People might say that the problem is being moved to another location, but to put it bluntly: an explosion on the curb in front of the airport will probably make fewer victims and won't take out the airport for a whole week or more.
What about daily and constant shop deliveries - newspapers, fresh food, beverages: it won't be possible to check all of them. And what about checking passengers entering the airport via the railway station?
b-west wrote:People might say that the problem is being moved to another location, but to put it bluntly: an explosion on the curb in front of the airport will probably make fewer victims and won't take out the airport for a whole week or more.
It wasn't the bomb blast that closed the airport for four days: it was the judicial investigation. The airport needed three days to be ready.

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I'm not against an intelligent solution that would not create congestion at the entrance of the departure hall, but i can't think of any such system that could be improvised in a few days.

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b-west wrote:Yeah, let's continue like before. And then change our Facebook picture again in some time, while the dead are being counted and the airport is closed again for a week.
Belgium shouldn't continue like before, but that doesn't mean airport security needs to change. Liason officers need to start doing there jobs, if someone is given 9 years they should spent 9 years in jail, if a parolee violates a condition of release it should have consequences, if information is known about the whereabouts of a fugitive terrorist it shouldn't remain lying on a desk etc. etc. This attack could have been prevented in many ways, different airport security isn't one of them.

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Same dirty union power play at Antwerp: the police unions want one bullet proof vest per policeman (apparently also for those who are not on duty), and they don't want that cars come as close to the runway as they can now. They have a meeting with the minister within a few weeks, and when the minister offers no solution: strike. "The offical strike notice has already been given before 22/03", they say.

Regional tv ATV:

De politievakbonden eisen meer veiligheidsmaatregelen op de luchthaven in Deurne. Indien er niet naar hen geluisterd wordt, volgt mogelijk een staking. Nu is er niet voor elke agent een kogelvrije vest voorzien, en kunnen auto's ook veel te dicht tot bij de startbaan komen. Politievakbond NSPV dringt aan om de veiligheid van het bewakingspersoneel en de burgers boven de economische belangen te plaatsen.

http://atv.be/nieuws/luchthavenpolitie- ... king-26737

edited: ...that cars do not come... -> ...that cars come...
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sn26567 wrote:A French national strike is planned this Thursday, March 31st 2016.
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Antwerp police unions (after the recent scandals, that have been overshadowed by terrorist attacks on BRU) should be dying in their shame right now instead of making demands... Shows how some people have no shame to start with.

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sn26567 wrote:A French national strike is planned this Thursday, March 31st 2016.
Ryanair cancelled the following Belgian flights on 31/03:
FR2918 Barcelona El Prat Charleroi
FR2917 Charleroi Barcelona El Prat
FR2921 Charleroi Barcelona El Prat
FR8023 Charleroi Carcassonne
FR2915 Charleroi Palma Mallorca
FR8024 Carcassonne Charleroi
FR6316 Charleroi Marseille
FR8077 Charleroi Montpellier
FR2922 Barcelona El Prat Charleroi
FR2916 Palma Mallorca Charleroi
FR6315 Marseille Charleroi
FR8078 Montpellier Charleroi
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The french strike already started now. Just look at the routing some Bruair aircraft are taking on flightradar. BCN-LGG via NCE MXP ZRH KRH very long flight.

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Thursday 7 April 2016: ATC Greece on strike.

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Passenger wrote:Thursday 7 April 2016: ATC Greece on strike.
Tweet from Eurocontrol:

"Greek strike. 24 hour starting 2100 UTC tonight. Overflights OK but expect arrivals and departures to be cancelled. Check with your airline..."

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Passenger wrote:Thursday 7 April 2016: ATC Greece on strike.
Ryanair flights to Athens and Thessaloniki cancelled from CRL Airport.
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Following Aeroflot flights are cancelled on April 7, 2016:
SU 2110 SVO — Athens
SU 2111 Athens — SVO
SU 2124 SVO — Thessaloniki
SU 2125 Thessaloniki — SVO
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After the Greeks on 7 April, the Italians on 9 April.

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sn26567 wrote:the Italians on 9 April.
ATC strike from 8-12 UTC (10-14 CET) tomorrow. Overflights and arriving intercontinental flights ok.
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The socialist trade union ABVV/FGTB has called a general strike for all federal public servants for Tuesday 26 April 2016.

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Passenger wrote:The socialist trade union ABVV/FGTB has called a general strike for all federal public servants for Tuesday 26 April 2016.
And what fantastic progress do they expect to achieve with that? Beside giving hell to the population in general.

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