Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

[RTM]

http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Brus ... d-a330.htm

[sn26567]

http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Brus ... d-a330.htm

Great! Any date for EIS ?

[crew1990]

I wonder if Brussels Aurlines will go for a bigger aircraft for the long haul, on some opération, the A330-300 is definitely too small. For example Dakar is most of the time fully booked, it's already served daily and can't be flow' direct because of the 5th freedom flight with Banjul and Conakry in cooperation with Sénégal Airlines. New York is as well fully booked almost everyday. Cameroun, the A330-300 is ok for the PAX even if the loadfactor is very high too, but the problem is the cargo space, if the flight is fully booked, SN have refuse some cargo shipment. And once again, this flight is served daily so it's not possible to had more flights.

[convair]

http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Brus ... d-a330.htm

Great! Any date for EIS ?

6 years old; not bad! Airfleets says it will leave Singapore on May 1.
And Singapore has 30 sisters still active...

@crew1990: The "insiders" on this forum consider SN should not have more types and I believe they are right. The solution seems to be less triangular flights.
Couldn't they operate Banjul or Conakry directly? If Senegal wants to keep the cooperation, why not allow more flights?

But both solutions require more aircraft...

[crew1990]

http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Brus ... d-a330.htm

Great! Any date for EIS ?

6 years old; not bad! Airfleets says it will leave Singapore on May 1.
And Singapore has 30 sisters still active...

@crew1990: The "insiders" on this forum consider SN should not have more types and I believe they are right. The solution seems to be less triangular flights.
Couldn't they operate Banjul or Conakry directly? If Senegal wants to keep the cooperation, why not allow more flights?

But both solutions require more aircraft...

Dakar is already daily they will not add more flight, and to serve it directly is not the right solution as the Dakar-Conakry and Dakar-Banjul are in 5th freedom.

I don't mean they should add a totally new aircraft, I was more referring to the A330-500 for example which is basically the same than the A330 but much longer. And in the long term, having a look to the A350-800-900-1000. By the way, I'm an insider too.

[Bralo20]

I don't mean they should add a totally new aircraft, I was more referring to the A330-500 for example which is basically the same than the A330 but much longer. And in the long term, having a look to the A350-800-900-1000. By the way, I'm an insider too.

A what?

A330's are available as a A330-200, A330-300 and will become available as A330-800 & A330-900 but no A330-500... The A340-500 however exists but isn't that much longer, only 4 meters, the A340-600 however is about 12+ meters longer compared to the A333 but the A340's are more expensive to operate (4 engines remember).


The A350 could enter on the long term though however I wouldn't be surprised if the A330NEO would be chosen if there will be new planes somewhere far in the future.

[crew1990]

Error of typing, I was meaning the a340 of course. It's more expensive to operated but if you can sell all the extra seat it can generate more extra revenue than the extra cost. And there would be more cargo space as well. The ideal solution is definitely the A350 but the leasing cost are too expensive at the moment.

[sean1982]

the 340-500 is deemed to be one of the most un-economic airliners of the modern day, so i doubt it would be a feasable option

[crew1990]

The A340-500 and 600 are not economic as there is the Boeing 777 wich have a lower operating cost. But in the case of SN operating another type of aircraft would mean new qualification for the crew, new maintenance etc, so for a company like SN the a340-500/600 fit perfectly.

[sn26567]

Why not the new A330 242t MTOW that Iberia has just acquired? Same or higher passenger load, and no limitation on cargo like now.

[RTM]

Great! Any date for EIS ?

About, the A330 coming in April, I heard it will keep the Singapour Airline configuration for the 6 first month.

My guess is, if entering service in april, it will arrive a bit sooner to accommodate RR training for several departments.

[Duke]

The A340-500 and 600 are not economic as there is the Boeing 777 wich have a lower operating cost. But in the case of SN operating another type of aircraft would mean new qualification for the crew, new maintenance etc, so for a company like SN the a340-500/600 fit perfectly.

Maybe LH could lease 3 of their A340-600's to SN for those "heavier" routes, these could replace SFM-, SFN and SFO, who, sooner or later, will have to be replaced anyway as they will be reaching their maximum number of cycles?
BTW, what about the rumours that Airbus was preparing to take back SFM, to be used to study the ageing process of the A330?
If this materialises, at least one extra A330 will be needed anyway?

[convair]

the 340-500 is deemed to be one of the most un-economic airliners of the modern day, so i doubt it would be a feasable option

I was surprised to discover on Airfleets that relatively few A340s were built, compared to the A330s, despite the fact there were several more (main) versions: 342, 343, 345 and 346. Obviously the 4 engines are no longer justified, except maybe for the very big jumbos.

(Sorry, moderators, I'm straying a bit off topic here!)

[PjVangerven]

I understand extending the fleet with new types of airplanes is costly, but in the short run the fleet will only consist of airplanes from the A320-family and A330-family, 2 types is really limited. If some of the a330s become too small, and the a340 is no option because of its fuelburning 4 motors, why not thinking about adding a B77w to its fleet, and for example share the costs for that type with Swiss?

[flightlover]

When they are looking for a new type of a/c to enter the fleet it might be beneficial to see what types are mostly used on BRU. In that way they can expand their spare parts stock to other users of the airport. increasing the benefits of scale.

[Avroflyer]

I understand extending the fleet with new types of airplanes is costly, but in the short run the fleet will only consist of airplanes from the A320-family and A330-family, 2 types is really limited. If some of the a330s become too small, and the a340 is no option because of its fuelburning 4 motors, why not thinking about adding a B77w to its fleet, and for example share the costs for that type with Swiss?

I'm not quite sure as to how the companies could share costs as you still remain with costs like training of staff, ... I think if we would see a bigger aircraft at SN it would be the 330NEO or the 350 as SN wants to have one single fleet of airbuses.

What SN could do to up capacity IF demand would be there for it is to go double daily on some flights but that is provided that you could really fill up a 2nd 330 and I'm not sure about that though.

[eagleheart]

Where will they paint the new plane for Brussels?

[StijnBRU]

9V-STI will never leave SIN in SQ livery. 2 options, or we paint them in SIN in SN colours, or SIN-TLS-BRU.

Nice to see one of our birds in BRU, but very strange from SN to take an A330 with PW engines, when you have an entire fleet with GE engines...

[airbuske]

Nice to see one of our birds in BRU, but very strange from SN to take an A330 with PW engines, when you have an entire fleet with GE engines...

Because this aircraft has a bigger MTOW and that is import on some routes with a higher cargo demand.

[StijnBRU]

OK can follow, but when they have an AOG...