Jetairfly in 2015

[DIBO]

Just airborne from Recife... which is good news for us as we're supposed to film this Captain on Thursday

OO-JVA now just airborne from Cap Verde. Wonder where they'll do the refuelling stop?? Sevilla? Porto?

[sn26567]

The range of the E190 is 2,400 nm, and the distance between SID and BRU is 2,434 nm. But the aircraft is flying empty, thus I think it will make it without a fuel stop.

[sdbelgium]

Should be nonstop, indeed.

[DIBO]

I'm not an insider, so can be totally wrong, but thought JVA is a 190STD, so more of an effective range of (1800nm +flying empty factor -IFR reserves). Starting with some headwind, getting a good tailwind as from approaching SW Europe. We'll know for sure in a couple of hours, my guess was a stopover somewhere. But as I said, I really don't have a (professional) clue so you guys will probably be right.

[KriVa]

You're thinking about the "Full Pax" range for the STD version. As you can see in the graphic below, without payload, there's no difference in the max range between all three variants of the E190. In fact, the range difference is reduced to zero when payloads are less than about 7000 kgs.
In short, the E190STD should be very capable of doing SID-BRU without stops, when it's empty.

source:http://www.embraercommercialaviation.co ... rmance.pdf

[sean1982]

I noticed that JAF has an awfull lot of sub-charters flying for them at the moment. Isnt that a very costly operation? Surely, hiring a plane with crew must be a lot more expensive than operating your own?

[Passenger]

I noticed that JAF has an awfull lot of sub-charters flying for them at the moment. Isnt that a very costly operation? Surely, hiring a plane with crew must be a lot more expensive than operating your own?

A lot more expensive? Maybe. But with Jetairfly, it’s mostly because the Jetair Sales department is doing extremely well. Jetair calculates what the profit would be for an extra allotment with a sub-charter, and when that’s good enough, they go for it. In between, booking requests for packages with these extra flights remain "on request".

Maybe your head office in Dublin can tell if subcharters indeed are “a lot more expensive”? Ask them what they pay/paid for the Ryanair 737-400 subcharters from AirExplore (Slovakia) and Safair (South Africa).

[KriVa]

Is that "semi"-personal attack really necessary? I think Sean's question was a perfectly reasonable one.

I do indeed think JAF currently just doesn't have the capacity to fly all the passengers they've sold tickets to. The best way to get them to their destination, and still earn a decent buck while doing so, is a subcharter, I think. Of course, a longterm solution would be fleet expansion, which is certainly happening at JAF.

Have all aircraft that were on lease in Canada come back yet? That may be part of it as well.

[JamesD]

Like you said, OO-JAQ and OO-JBG are still flying in Canada. They will come back in May if all goes well. This will save on some sub-charters

[sn26567]

That looks weird indeed: sending its own planes on sub-charter to foreign operators and being obliged to hire contract sub-charters for their own operations! With a little of planning it should be possible to avoid such situations!

[sean1982]

I noticed that JAF has an awfull lot of sub-charters flying for them at the moment. Isnt that a very costly operation? Surely, hiring a plane with crew must be a lot more expensive than operating your own?

A lot more expensive? Maybe. But with Jetairfly, it’s mostly because the Jetair Sales department is doing extremely well. Jetair calculates what the profit would be for an extra allotment with a sub-charter, and when that’s good enough, they go for it. In between, booking requests for packages with these extra flights remain "on request".

Maybe your head office in Dublin can tell if subcharters indeed are “a lot more expensive”? Ask them what they pay/paid for the Ryanair 737-400 subcharters from AirExplore (Slovakia) and Safair (South Africa).

Im actually having a meeting with MO'L and senior management, shall I ask?

[Passenger]

Once again : these subcharters are not hired in to solve a fleet shortage at the airline (= Jetairfly). They are hired in because the touroperator (= Jetair) has seen an opportunity to gain more profit.

“Summer season touroperator” Jetair allways leases out some of its aircraft during low season. That way, they’re guarantueed of having a fixed income for the aircraft they need during peak period. If they don’t lease them out, they could indeed plan these aircraft for own charter operations. But planning them in a schedule is useless if the touroperator won’t be able to sell enough packages.

At the end of the day, these subcharters result in more turnover and more nett profit for the group then without them.

Jetair/fly is doing about the same as Brussels Airlines with their weekend contracts for Club Med: without them, the aircraft would stand on the tarmac then. Just like it’s profitable for Ryanair to lease aircraft from AirExplore and Safair: even if these leases are expensive, the nett gain at the end of the day is positive.

[sn26567]

Hans Van Haelemeesch, spokesman of Jetairfly, has been named "Man of the Year" by the (Belgian) Aviation Press Club. You will recognise him together with Luk Dewilde, President of the APC.



Congratulations, Hans!

[sn26567]

Jetairfly outlines initial B737 summer lease plans

ch-aviation has published an article (which is now reserved for paying subscriptions) which says that Jetairfly will wet-lease a B737-300 (OY-JTB) from Jet Time and dry-lease a B737-800Winglets (OO-CAN) from CanJet for the busy summer season. The article also mentions that Jetairfly added to its books a B767-300ER (formerly PH-OYJ, now OO-JNL - the article erroneously writes OO-JDL, which is the reg of the Dreamliner!) from Dutch sister company Arke.

These summer leases are not unusual with Jetairfly: last year it leased a B737-800 from FlyDubai. And during the slow winter season Jetairfly sends some of its 737-800s to Sunwings in Canada.

[Bralo20]

OO-CAN is in the BCAA register since April 30, OO-JNL was registered on April 21, OO-JVA since April 14

[FLYAIR10]

Quick question. are JAF-flights out of ANR or OST taking cargo?
In general : are any JAF flights taking cargo these days? :think:

[sergioboeing]

Does anybody know what means OO-JVA? I heard it means Jetairfly Van Antwerpen?

[Passenger]

Does anybody know what means OO-JVA? I heard it means Jetairfly Van Antwerpen?

Indeed, although it's simply "Jet van A"

The city of Antwerp uses "A" as a local trade mark for made in Antwerp / activity in Antwerp

https://twitter.com/jetairfly/status/592678825303142402

[sergioboeing]

Does anybody know what means OO-JVA? I heard it means Jetairfly Van Antwerpen?

Indeed, although it's simply "Jet van A"

The city of Antwerp uses "A" as a local trade mark for made in Antwerp / activity in Antwerp

https://twitter.com/jetairfly/status/592678825303142402

Thanks Passenger for the info.
But for the moment he didn't fly too much from/to "A" ...

[sn26567]

Does anybody know what means OO-JVA? I heard it means Jetairfly Van Antwerpen?

Indeed, although it's simply "Jet van A"

The way Jetairfly is naming its aircraft is very confusing. Initially, after the usual OO-, it was TUA, TUB, the ill-famed TUC, TUF for the F100, etc. TU was standing of course for TUI Airlines Belgium, the official name of Jetairfly. That was fine and easy

Afterwards it became JAA, JAB, JAC,..., JAP for the 767, etc. Also fine! The JA was clearly referring to JetAir. But there were some exceptions: JBG in memory of Gerard Brackx. And the planes that came back from the Moroccan subsidiary had their own lettering: JLO, JPT, etc.

The DreamLiner was adequately named JDL. There was also some logic in the mane of the first two E190s: JEB and JEM.

But the names of the last aircraft have no logic at all: JEF is a 737, not an E190. Another 737 is JOS. The third E190 could have been called JEA if one wanted it to be dedicated to Antwerp (although it flies from everywhere in Belgium) instead of JVA.