Belgian Defence retires a Falcon 20
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Belgian Defence retires a Falcon 20
The army retires an aircraft for which it cannot pay the heavy maintenance
The Belgian army is preparing to save money by withdrawing one of its transport aircraft, a 41-year old Mystère (Falcon) 20 that has exhausted its potential. This aircraft in service with the 15th Wing Air Transport returned this Sunday from a two-day mission in Jordan.
"It was the last time it was a night stop abroad," told one of the crew members, while the fate of this aircraft, registered CM-01, is still uncertain.
This Mystère 20E, a product of the French aircraft manufacturer Dassault, must indeed undergo a heavy maintenance ("D-check" in aviation jargon). But it is too costly in view of the aircraft's age - it was received on March 26, 1973 and therefore has more than 41 years, although it has undergone, like its twin, CM-02, a modernization in 2004 with the installation of more modern avionics and more powerful and more fuel-efficient engines.
Pending a decision on its fate, the aircraft will be stored in a hangar at the military airport in Melsbroek. Difficult to sell because of its age, it could serve as a spare parts store for its twin, which is soon to return from a D-check in Basel (Switzerland).
Defence is affected, as other federal departments, by savings decided by the government, and announced last month that its "white" aircraft fleet (for transporting passengers) - an Airbus A321, four Embraer, two Mystère 20 and a Falcon 900 - would experience a reduction in its flight plan by some 40% next year.
The Belgian army is preparing to save money by withdrawing one of its transport aircraft, a 41-year old Mystère (Falcon) 20 that has exhausted its potential. This aircraft in service with the 15th Wing Air Transport returned this Sunday from a two-day mission in Jordan.
"It was the last time it was a night stop abroad," told one of the crew members, while the fate of this aircraft, registered CM-01, is still uncertain.
This Mystère 20E, a product of the French aircraft manufacturer Dassault, must indeed undergo a heavy maintenance ("D-check" in aviation jargon). But it is too costly in view of the aircraft's age - it was received on March 26, 1973 and therefore has more than 41 years, although it has undergone, like its twin, CM-02, a modernization in 2004 with the installation of more modern avionics and more powerful and more fuel-efficient engines.
Pending a decision on its fate, the aircraft will be stored in a hangar at the military airport in Melsbroek. Difficult to sell because of its age, it could serve as a spare parts store for its twin, which is soon to return from a D-check in Basel (Switzerland).
Defence is affected, as other federal departments, by savings decided by the government, and announced last month that its "white" aircraft fleet (for transporting passengers) - an Airbus A321, four Embraer, two Mystère 20 and a Falcon 900 - would experience a reduction in its flight plan by some 40% next year.
André
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CM-01 and CM-02 have been purchased together, hence I think they have the same age.Airbus A330 wrote:Can someone tell me how old is CM-02
Edit: I got a confirmation from Wikipedia that both BAF Falcons 20E were operated since 1973:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Falcon_20
André
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By the way, the M in its CM-01 registration stands for Mystère. (The Embraers are registered CE-0x, the Hercules are registered CH-xx, it's just with the Falcon 900 that there is a mystery: CD-01).
André
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Thanks!sn26567 wrote:By the way, the M in its CM-01 registration stands for Mystère. (The Embraers are registered CE-0x, the Hercules are registered CH-xx, it's just with the Falcon 900 that there is a mystery: CD-01).

The "D" in CD is maybe for Dassault?

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Re: Belgian Defence retires a Falcon 20
That is indeed for Dassault. The military must be happy that their latest Airbus have been leased without having to imagine a new prefix... 

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Re: Belgian Defence retires a Falcon 20
If/when they take delivery of their A400Ms, they'll have to do it anyway.
No extra point for guessing what it will be.
BTW- what does the "C" stand for?
No extra point for guessing what it will be.

BTW- what does the "C" stand for?
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"C" for Component? 
I have a little question about the leased A321. For how long will it be operated

I have a little question about the leased A321. For how long will it be operated

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When I visited the 15th Wing, they told me in front of a C-130 Hercules that CH was for Cargo Hercules. But I cannot imagine our King being treated as cargo when he travels on board of CD-01 !
André
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C was already in use long before there was talk about Defence Components."C" for Component
C stands for Cargo (actually all transport aircraft).
The Belgian Defence serial code is rather strange. Probably based on the USAFs post WWII Buzz number type coding, starting with the FS-coded F-84E. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buzz_number
Currently they are F for Fighter (FA/FB > F-16A/B); CM(Mystère Falcon20), CD(Dassault F900), CH(Hercules), CE(Embraer) (CA Airbus 310, CS HS.748, CF Fairchild-Swearingen Merlin) for the transport fleet, RS for Rotorcraft SeaKing, RN for the NH90.
So staring in the eraly 70's, the first letter denotes the role of the aircraft, and second broadly the type.
Oddly enough, the codes for the trainers are the other way round. First letter is aircraft type (name), second is role.(again broadly to be interpreted): AT for Alpha jet Trainer, ST for SIAI Marchetti Trainer, as was MT for (Fouga) Magister Trainer.
Sailplanes are simply coded in the PL (planeur) range.
Ex Army helicopters lately only carried a one letter/2 number code. A for Alouette, H for Agusta A109 Hirundo
Police (formerly Gendarmerie) are coded in the G-range, as you may guess for Gendarmerie.
Outsiders are the Piper Cubs, that have codes in the LB-range, based on their USAF aircraft type designation of L-21B.
That's the Belgian "logic" behind this. At least from the 70's on there was some kind of logic to be found.
Wondering what the letter combo for the A400 will be.
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CM01 was delivered in March '73 , CM02 followed in May.Hello,
Can someone tell me how old is CM-02
So CM02 is almost 32 years old, but both were substantially updated some 10 years ago (new engines, avionics, interior)
Total Flt. hrs for CM01 is 16160.
Nice info about the subject on http://www.sbap.be/events/2015/001falco ... on2015.htm
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Guess you mean 42 years old!
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So, the guy from 15W was right when he told me C was for Cargo.
As I mentioned before, our King will appreciate it to be considered as cargo
As I mentioned before, our King will appreciate it to be considered as cargo

André
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Thank you very much, Ecam!Ecam wrote:C was already in use long before there was talk about Defence Components."C" for Component
C stands for Cargo (actually all transport aircraft).
The Belgian Defence serial code is rather strange. Probably based on the USAFs post WWII Buzz number type coding, starting with the FS-coded F-84E. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buzz_number
Currently they are F for Fighter (FA/FB > F-16A/B); CM(Mystère Falcon20), CD(Dassault F900), CH(Hercules), CE(Embraer) (CA Airbus 310, CS HS.748, CF Fairchild-Swearingen Merlin) for the transport fleet, RS for Rotorcraft SeaKing, RN for the NH90.
So staring in the eraly 70's, the first letter denotes the role of the aircraft, and second broadly the type.
Oddly enough, the codes for the trainers are the other way round. First letter is aircraft type (name), second is role.(again broadly to be interpreted): AT for Alpha jet Trainer, ST for SIAI Marchetti Trainer, as was MT for (Fouga) Magister Trainer.
Sailplanes are simply coded in the PL (planeur) range.
Ex Army helicopters lately only carried a one letter/2 number code. A for Alouette, H for Agusta A109 Hirundo
Police (formerly Gendarmerie) are coded in the G-range, as you may guess for Gendarmerie.
Outsiders are the Piper Cubs, that have codes in the LB-range, based on their USAF aircraft type designation of L-21B.
That's the Belgian "logic" behind this. At least from the 70's on there was some kind of logic to be found.
Wondering what the letter combo for the A400 will be.

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Hello
A BAF Falcon20 flew King Filip to Saudi Arabia (saw that yesterday evening on the VRT news)
Greetings,
A BAF Falcon20 flew King Filip to Saudi Arabia (saw that yesterday evening on the VRT news)
Greetings,
All my posted timings are local !
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If only they had kept the codename Grizzly (which sounds better than Atlas anyway, in my opinion), the designation would have been easy: CG. Now it could be CA, but then they'd have to "reuse" the Airbus A310 code, not sure if that is an option.Ecam wrote: Wondering what the letter combo for the A400 will be.
Thomas
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The Falcon 900 was used, not the F.20.tangolima wrote:Hello
A BAF Falcon20 flew King Filip to Saudi Arabia (saw that yesterday evening on the VRT news)
Greetings,
Re: Belgian Defence retires a Falcon 20
What did they replace the Falcon 20 with? Also did they sell the old ones to private buyers or something? I've always wondered what happens to these planes that get replaced.Ecam wrote:Male Extra was already in use long before there was talk about Defence Components."C" for Component
C stands for Cargo (actually all transport aircraft).
The Belgian Defence serial code is rather strange. Probably based on the USAFs post WWII Buzz number type coding, starting with the FS-coded F-84E.
Currently they are F for Fighter (FA/FB > F-16A/B); CM(Mystère Falcon20), CD(Dassault F900), CH(Hercules), CE(Embraer) (CA Airbus 310, CS HS.748, CF Fairchild-Swearingen Merlin) for the transport fleet, RS for Rotorcraft SeaKing, RN for the NH90.
So staring in the eraly 70's, the first letter denotes the role of the aircraft, and second broadly the type.
Oddly enough, the codes for the trainers are the other way round. First letter is aircraft type (name), second is role.(again broadly to be interpreted): AT for Alpha jet Trainer, ST for SIAI Marchetti Trainer, as was MT for (Fouga) Magister Trainer.
Sailplanes are simply coded in the PL (planeur) range.
Ex Army helicopters lately only carried a one letter/2 number code. A for Alouette, H for Agusta A109 Hirundo
Police (formerly Gendarmerie) are coded in the G-range, as you may guess for Gendarmerie.
Outsiders are the Piper Cubs, that have codes in the LB-range, based on their USAF aircraft type designation of L-21B.
That's the Belgian "logic" behind this. At least from the 70's on there was some kind of logic to be found.
Wondering what the letter combo for the A400 will be.
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